"school snobbery"

[dinkybinky]

I think it?s hysterical that some people think that if you child doesn?t attend a Grammar school or selective independent then they?re not academic. The level of ?school snobbery? that goes on is quite bewildering sometimes.

Mordion

You misunderstood a comment - everybody has confirmed the misunderstanding - why are you pursuing this any further.

OwlLady wasn't threatening her, Xenia doesn't seem to feel threatened.

Not really sure where you are trying to go with this.

chaz it has livened up the thread though!

It's gone from grammar schools and snobbery to threatening behaviour in a matter of posts!

But nobody is threatening to 'out' her at all! I think quite a few people know who she is in rl and have said so, it's never been interpreted as a threat before.

Wiley
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So that's a normal MN education debate then!

I don't be outed. I have been in a few places but usually it gets removed.In fact I'd rather prefer people thought I was an unemployed 30 stone truck driver from Scunthorpe. However I appreciate that if I post a fact like I own an island or wrote 30 books or have X children then someone with not much better to do might join up the dots and find my real identity. However I don't want it posted and it's not very interesting either.

The ginger thing is interesting. I had never heard until the last few years there was any anti ginger stuff in my whole life. I was born with red hair. Then the children showed me that South Park episode and I read some press articles. I think women with long red hair look stunning. I am attracted to men who are blonde or red haired. In some ways we are the latest people. I think we developed last. Perhaps we are a superior life form and people are jealous... laughing as I type. Was interested to learn all of us have 3% Neanderthal genes too - the wider the gene pool the better.
I agree with MA that brilliance will out and the more senior you get and better the less it matters how you look or speak. In fact a lot of what I do is behind a computer anyway so I could be anyone anywhere wearing nothing or a burkha or dungarees pyjamas or a suit and it would not matter.

sorry

I don't think it is acceptable for people on MN to say 'I know who X is'. I wouldn't want someone saying that about me. I don't believe that Owl Lady wasn't trying to be mean, actually. But it doesn't matter if she was or not - in the same way as I and others have challenged Xenia for using terms like 'dregs', and some people objected to Xenia's comment about people feeling inadequate, I will continue to point out that making comments like 'I know who you are' isn't acceptable. Not nice is not nice, whether it comes from someone you deem to be 'ok' or someone you think isn't.

I have never posted to or even near OL before, I don't think, but I truly think she was just saying 'yes, I know Xenia is a real person and not a troll or a bot or something'.

Xenia, I wouldn't out you at all, what I said was in reply to someone acknowledging I knew about your work and knew who you were, there was no other intention in it. My posts can be removed if you want but there was no malice in them.

I have to get off the computer now as my daughter wants to go on thomas and friends as reward.

There are lots of interesting issues about these kinds of things. A policeman was outed by the Times who had a blog under a false name and I think it was found that as he had disclosed lots of different facts about himself he made himself fair game. That does not mean that I want to be identified as loads of people hardly ever post and will just read one comment on mine rather than spend every waking hour reading my posts to gain an advanced PhD in Xenia postings. I just randomly posted into google 4 facts about me and found me.

I think if I started to make things up to make things less easy I couldn't do it. I'd get found out immediately. Anyway I'd better get back to work. I have a load of benefits claimants to keep so will be working most of the weekend to ensure they are fed and watered and then on Monday they will be kissing my feet for my efforts after they have enjoyed a weekend, nay a life, without work.

I've said before that I find a lot of value in what Xenia says and it's made me very much think about what kind of career and associated remuneration I want when I go back to work, having perhaps foolishly ditched the previous one because I hated it. I think a lot of women do undervalue themselves and I am extremely uncomfortable with my DH being the only earner in the house for all sorts of reasons.

But I also I find the way you go about spreading your gospel nasty and misogynistic in the extreme. It ought to be possible to tell women why they ought to go back to work and have high aspirations without being quite so offensive in the process. It's a shame that you don't see this, because you'd win a lot more people over to your cause if you did.

Most people have more to do than search posts, but the main is that people are aware of the risks they run.

I wonder how many of the "hang the paeds" mumsnetters on those other threads who named names incorrectly will be getting a claim for damages from Lord Mc's lawyers?

Tough
I agree that its easy to reveal over time quite a lot of info about yourself without really meaning too. I deliberately and openly namechange if I want to post in more detail about my children's school for example because the chances of outing myself are higher.

Re: job prospects if you're tiny, ginger or say 'haitch,' my father (who is admittedly quite old) used to work in recruitment/HR for a major UK company, and he and his team used routinely to bin any appliction letters that began with the word "I."

Tiny as a woman is likely to get you a lot further at work than if you are 20 stone mind you and I suspect white/ginger will get you further with some employers than if you are black in some places sadly.

Also the tiny ginger ones can if they choose change their accents just as the fat ones can lose 5 stone.

I'm not thumbelina. But I am little and to be honest, with many people it seems to be an extra excuse to try and patronise. Luckily people stopped doing that fairly early on in my career.

I have never needed to change my accent since I'm from London.

Oh, ffs, Xenia- you've added fat people to your "list" now!

Sadly it's not my list and in some African tribes it is the ones fattened with milk who are most desirable. Fat can be a pro or con depending on your culture but usually a disadvantage. I am just saying what most employers prefer although now 60% of British people are overweight things may change.

I am just saying what most employers prefer

Can I ask how you know what ?most? employers prefer? We employ over 1000 people, in various countries and being slim has never been on our list of requirements for potential employees , please elaborate.

I think there's huge predjudice towards fat peopl ein the UK.

I'm sure there is research on it, but one only has to read a thread or two on MN to know that this is the case.

but it's all just a bit of fun really as we go about leading at heart similar lives

Can we swap our similar bank accounts ?
It will be just a bit of fun, honest.

Xenia, ultimately you have security. Apparently a very large slice thereof.
Others do not.

Depends on the job. IN care homes and call centres you are keen to take just about anyone who can do the job,. In other jobs with 100 Oxbridge brilliant graduates surveys do show that those who look good, dress well and are slim get more job offers than the fat ones.

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/03/fat-prejudice-issue and many other links which came up. In fact if you want to get a good husband or a great job one of the ways you can help yourself is be a healthy normal weight rather than 16 stone.

I work in a call centre. I have to have specialist knowledge on many areas including law, social care, general maintenance, have fantastic customer care skills and diplomacy.

You are just an ignorant cow. How dare you insult me like that, My current employers kept my post open for 3 months in order to employ me whilst I finished my previous position because I am bloody good at what I do. I hope to God one day something happens to make you realise what live is actually like for the majority of us 'little' people that allow you to live your up your own arse attitude.

And yes, my diplomacy and customer care skills are not being used right now. But when someone can be so arrogantly RUDE to 1000's of people like that I really don't care

.In fact I'd rather prefer people thought I was an unemployed 30 stone truck driver from Scunthorpe.

And what's wrong with Scunthorpe??? Have you ever been?? It's got some bloody good state schools. Low crime rate. AND PEOPLE WHO RESPECT EACH OTHER INSTEAD OF MOUTHING OF STUPID PREJUDICES ABOUT PEOPLE THAT THEY'VE NO IDEA ABOUT

And for the record, you wouldn't last 5 mins as a truck driver - you know, those ESSENTIAL people who transport your food, clothes, medicines, etc around the country.......when was the last time YOU ever spoke to a trucker?So don't try belittling people that you have no idea about. You haven't got a clue what the average trucker is like.....or have the Times done a survey on that, too?

In fact, when was the last time you EVER had a PROPER conversation in real life with anyone who does an every day normal job other than to issue an order? To find out what reality is?