to be a bit surprised that 11 year olds had school lesson involving putting a condom on a banana?

[Mintyy]

So this is a Year 7 class in a local academy.

Aibu to think that they are still a wee bit too young for this?

[InNeedOfBrandy]

The only time I've known someone done for stat rape was when he was in his 40s she was 14/15 and got pregnant and her parents got the police involved. I would assume the police don't bother about 16 yr olds shaggigng 15 yr olds unless parents get them involved to.

[Only4theOlympics]

My understanding of statutory rape is that according to the statutes, rape is sex without consent. A child (under 16) is legally incapable of giving consent. This would mean someone having sex with a person under 16 would be having unconsential sex and thus committing rape.

[FeckOffWithYourXmasBollocks]

I've taught my Dcs, 16 and 13, about sex from a young age. Made talking about it main stream, discussed the ins and outs of contraception, taught them that their body is theirs, and to be used with respect. Let them know that you can have sex before 16, but that it's better to wait until you are older and in a loving relationship. Taught them that the ONLY way to avoid pregnancy is not to have sex, and that a condon is not optional. Sex Ed in school should just be a supplement to sensible teaching at home.

[LucieMay]

Statutory rape is not a UK offence.

[FeckOffWithYourXmasBollocks]

Only, so 2 under 16s having sex together?

[BooyhooRemembering]

again i agree with feck

[Only4theOlympics]

What feck said x 1000. This is exactly what and how I was taught. I was also told that losing your virginity was something you would always remember so not to regret it or waste it.

I also concluded that, knowing about consent issues etc, why would I want to waste my virginity on someone who didn't care if what they were doing was classed as rape?

I could make these arguments because I knew what everything involved. If you know about sex you HAVE to know about safe sex.

[cantspel]

Causing or inciting a child under 13 to engage in sexual activity

(1)A person commits an offence if?
(a)he intentionally causes or incites another person (B) to engage in an activity,
(b)the activity is sexual, and
(c)B is under 13.
(2)A person guilty of an offence under this section, if the activity caused or incited involved?
(a)penetration of B?s anus or vagina,
(b)penetration of B?s mouth with a person?s penis,
(c)penetration of a person?s anus or vagina with a part of B?s body or by B with anything else, or
(d)penetration of a person?s mouth with B?s penis,is liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for life.
(3)Unless subsection (2) applies, a person guilty of an offence under this section is liable?
(a)on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum or both;
(b)on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 14 years.

and over 13

Sexual activity with a child

(1)A person aged 18 or over (A) commits an offence if?
(a)he intentionally touches another person (B),
(b)the touching is sexual, and
(c)either?
(i)B is under 16 and A does not reasonably believe that B is 16 or over, or
(ii)B is under 13.
(2)A person guilty of an offence under this section, if the touching involved?
(a)penetration of B?s anus or vagina with a part of A?s body or anything else,
(b)penetration of B?s mouth with A?s penis,
(c)penetration of A?s anus or vagina with a part of B?s body, or
(d)penetration of A?s mouth with B?s penis,is liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 14 years.
(3)Unless subsection (2) applies, a person guilty of an offence under this section is liable?
(a)on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum or both;
(b)on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 14 years.
10Causing or inciting a child to engage in sexual activity

(1)A person aged 18 or over (A) commits an offence if?
(a)he intentionally causes or incites another person (B) to engage in an activity,
(b)the activity is sexual, and
(c)either?
(i)B is under 16 and A does not reasonably believe that B is 16 or over, or
(ii)B is under 13.
(2)A person guilty of an offence under this section, if the activity caused or incited involved?
(a)penetration of B?s anus or vagina,
(b)penetration of B?s mouth with a person?s penis,
(c)penetration of a person?s anus or vagina with a part of B?s body or by B with anything else, or
(d)penetration of a person?s mouth with B?s penis,is liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 14 years.
(3)Unless subsection (2) applies, a person guilty of an offence under this section is liable?
(a)on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum or both;
(b)on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 14 years.
11

[Only4theOlympics]

Technically rape of each other. Though I fail to see where the public interest would be in pursuing such a case. Prosecutions are only supposed to occur in the public interest.

[Only4theOlympics]

Cantspel. A 17 year old sleeping with a 14 year old would not be breaking those laws BUT would be committing other criminal acts. Much like how murder can be differentiated from manslaughter.

[cantspel]

Only4theOlympics That is cover in section 13 of the act


13Child sex offences committed by children or young persons

(1)A person under 18 commits an offence if he does anything which would be an offence under any of sections 9 to 12 if he were aged 18.
(2)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable?
(a)on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum or both;
(b)on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years.

[pigletmania]

My private school had sex education lessons, we were shown that when about 12/13, this was about 23 years ago

[pigletmania]

I had my first child at 30

[2MumsAreBetterThan1]

I had my VERY FIRST sex education class at the age of 15. I was 5 months pregnantat the time!

I adore my daughter clearly but it was bloody hard, I wish I had been more informed. I had no idea about contraception, stds etc. all I knew was what my 18 year old boyfriend told me.

Oh and we first slept together aged 13, I was clueless and trusted him, a very dangerous position to be in!

I think education is the key.

I also think they should teach about same sex relationships. I thought there was something wrong with me for not enjoying sex, not having the same urges and crushes as my friends etc. Then I met my first girlfriend and it all became clear.

[sashh]

We teach children to cross the road when they are too little to do it on their own.

We teach them to tie shoe laces when they are still small enough to wear velcro shoes.

We teach children not to touch medicines before they are old enough to go to a doctor alone.

The first time somone encounters a condom should not be just before they have sex for the first time.

[LST]

I had sex for the first time at just 14. And had never had a sex ed class. Year 7 is a fine age IMO.

[MammaTJ]

I think that they need to know at this age. It is all very well to say that learning about sec is fine but learning about condoms isn't but how else are they going to learn to protect themselves?
I will be quite happy for my children to be taught about this in school at that age (and indeed was when my 17 year old DD was that age). It just makes sense.

Of course it is sad that they are no longer our babies but they have to grow up, better to do so armed with knowledge.

[GhostShip]

Wow some of you would be horrified at the High sch

[GhostShip]

Shit new nails!

At the high school I went to. Not only did we have sex ed, they had the Brook Sexual Health come in once a week where we could get condoms, morning after pill and an Sti test.

A lot of girls would have been pregnant were it not for them
And I'll never forget the day were half of the year nine lads found out they had the clap. From the same girl.

It's needed, Vivienne you're living in a dream world. It's obvious we can't stop it so we have to keep trying to make it safer.

[cory]

what sash, and others, have said

nobody complains that they are taught to conduct chemical experiments or do electric wiring in Yr 7 though it is unlikely that most of them will be called upon to do either of those things in RL for a few years yet (if ever)

also, as far as my dc are concerns, raven's statement is certainly true: the mechanical aspect is a very small part of an education that is focused on staying safe and making sensible choices- not on rushing out an having sex at the earliest opportunity

this has not been mentioned in passing but discussed at length

they have not been given the impression that early sex is considered a good idea

[sashh]

GhostShip

We had no sex ed at school (run by nuns) but we did get lessons on 'natural family planning'. The year I left there were 15 or 16 pregnancies.

[bigTillyMint]

I don't think the DC have done the condom on the banana at their local academy, but I will check tonight...

Would have no problem with either DD(Y9) or DS(Y7) doing it, though I fear DS and friends might find it more of the yuck-factor ATM. And DD too

[valiumredhead]

Knowledge is power! The more knowledge kids have the less likely they are to make poor decisions based on crap they've heard in the playground - or be talked into doing something they don't want to do.

Just because they know what to do doesn't mean they will run out and do it.

I would be very very surprised if even the most naive 12 year old didn't know what a condom is.

[WineGoggles]

"Sex is not for children"
We are animals at the end of the day; just because we eat with cutlery does not make the laws of nature redundant. Once an animal is sexually mature it will seek out sex. The sex urge is very strong so don't kid yourself that under 18s won't be DTD if they have those urges. There is really not a lot we can do to prevent a horny mass of hormones wanting to fuck unless you keep them under lock and key or make them wear chastity belts, so we have to give them as much information as possible so they make safe and respectful choices. when a child's hormones wake up and they have sex urges they won't give a shit about the age of consent! I'm very much in favour of sex education well before puberty and very much against the idea that giving children the information encourages them to go out and have sex. The Dutch definitely have the right idea compared to the conservative views of Britain and the US; the teen pregnancy rates speak for themselves I think.

If I had my way they'd be putting condoms on model penises (of various sizes, using various sized condoms) rather than fruit and veg, stress the importance of sexual consent, how to say no, how to discuss contraception with each other before sex, etc. I'd also like to see all the broody children being given one of those living dolls for a few days (the ones that are programmed to behave like a normal needy babies) and see whether their idea of a cute thing to dress up and show off to their mates matches the reality of sleep deprivation and commitment.

[valiumredhead]

I think those robot babies should be given out as standard