To think (D) P attitude stinks re the war dead

[Shinyshoes1]

My son is a sea cadet and he's marching for rememberance Sunday .
For a start he huffed and puffed when I said we'd be attending reminding him that our son is among those marching in memory of the fallen and in support for our serving forces
He then moaned that we've arrived 25 minutes early . He's now pissed off for a coffee
Among the comments he's made today they've included
"I don't know anyone that has died in the war "
"in what way does respecting those in wars affect me "
"speaking German would make no difference to me as we'd know no different"
"Those serving in wars at the moment know the risks when they sign up"
" I didn't ask our country to go to war with Iraq and afghanistan "

I'm literally frothing at the mouth and I've told him that I'll teach my children to respect. He's now pissed off to the coffee shop where I hope he fucking chokes on his latte .
AIBU to think he's a fucking disrespectful cunt

[honeytea]

"speaking German would make no difference to me as we'd know no different"
"Those serving in wars at the moment know the risks when they sign up"
" I didn't ask our country to go to war with Iraq and afghanistan "

I agree with him on these 3 points. I don't think the everyone has to accept everything, questioning is a good thing and a positive thing to teach your kids.

[CogitoErgoSometimes]

I think he just sounds stupid... not an attractive trait in a man. Remember watching the news once with a then boyfriend. It was about the Middle East and he huffed and puffed something along the lines of 'Why do we need to know about that lot? What has it got to do with us?' A week later the Twin Towers came down in spectacular fashion...

Glad the (D) is in brackets...

[CogitoErgoSometimes]

@honeytea... you're as thick as he is. Honouring the dead of wars - civilian as well as military, don't forget - is a different conversation to evaluating our involvement in various conflicts.

[Fairenuff]

How long have you been together?

[Thisisaeuphemism]

Honey tree, speaking German would make no difference? - so he and you means youre not bothered that we fought the second world war.
Christ, Questioning is a good thing - a little education would help too.

[noblegiraffe]

Yes, because speaking German would be the only consequence of living under the regime responsible for the holocaust. He should be bloody grateful to have been spared that.

[MrsGeologist]

Of course things would have stayed exactly the same here had the nazis invaded, we'd just be speaking German

FFS some people.

[DontmindifIdo]

Honeytea - if you were Jewish, gay, gypsy, communist, mentally or physically disabled or showed any desire for a change in society/government, you wouldn't be speaking German, you'd be dead. It doesn't matter that we might have been ruled by Germany, it matters that we might have been forced to live under a fascist regime.

Yes, those people who signed up did know the risks when the signed up, it didn't come as a surprise that people were trying to kill them, yet they swallowed down that fear and did what they had to do anyway in order to make life for the rest of us better.

But anyway, that doesn't matter, what matters as far as I can see is that the OP's DS (not sure if it's the DP's DS as well) is marching in the cadets, this is in a way no different to if he was in a play with the cadets or doing something else with the organisation, the OP's 'D'P can't put himself out and support this boy for a few hours.

[honeytea]

Cogito does the money from the poppy apeal go to civilians injured in wars? I don't think so.

I think it is very important not to forget ww2, I also feel that the way the poppy apeal involves recent wars takes away from a very important message. I am not thick for having an opinion, it shows a lack of intelligence on your part to have to call someone thick because they don't agree with you.

[JuliaScurr]

www.ppu.org.uk/whitepoppy/index.html

his last 3 comments might be a valid opinion, but the first two are just mindless ignorance

he could commemorate without celebrating

[tiredemma]

The ' speaking German ' comment is something that only complete fuckwits bring up. Ignorance at its finest. Yes why not be led by a psychopath who was responsible for the murder of 6 million Jews. Just because he didn't like them. The comment about 'knowing the risks' is as equally moronic. They live with the risks so that we can be safe in nation that has a well equipped ( ha!) armed force that defends us.
So many fucking idiots out there who are so ignorant. No comment stands up to that fact that we should have respect for dead and respect for those that continue to make sacrifices for OUR nation.

[ENormaSnob]

I am truly at the thickness of some people.

Your partner is disgusting op.

[JuliaScurr]

the speaking German thing might refer to WW1, not WW2

[BadgersBottom]

He sounds absolutely awful. My son was a cadet for the 7 years of his secondary school life - we turned out every single Remembrance Day to support him and the reasons behind it all. Your partner needs some serious re-educating. Actually - I simply couldn't live with someone who thought like that. Have you been together long?

[honeytea]

if you were Jewish, gay, gypsy, communist, mentally or physically disabled or showed any desire for a change in society/government, you wouldn't be speaking German, you'd be dead. It doesn't matter that we might have been ruled by Germany, it matters that we might have been forced to live under a fascist regime

I know and thank goodness those things were prevented. I also often hearing people saying well we would be speaking German and that really really wouldn't matter, I think it is a fault in the way things were taught at school, I remeber the teacher going on and on about how we would be speaking German and even as a 7/8 year old not understanding the issue with a different language.

Yes, those people who signed up did know the risks when the signed up, it didn't come as a surprise that people were trying to kill them, yet they swallowed down that fear and did what they had to do anyway in order to make life for the rest of us better I don't think the wars in Iraq and Afghistan have made life better for us.

[TheBigJessie]

Well, as a native English-speaker who loves the German language, I can't say the idea of being unable to read great English literature, and thus losing access to the cultural history of my own nation, fills me with joy.

But that problem of cultural suppression is small fry compared to the idea of many more people would have been murdered if he had been fully successful.

[Alisvolatpropiis]

He is an arse,to put it mildly.

If the war dead of WWI marched past the Cenotaph it would take three and a half days. The majority of a generation were lost in that war.

I think those that fought for Britain in WWII did more than merely save us from "speaking German".

Every serviceman and woman who has fought for our country deserves respect. The arguments about the Iraq war are wholly irrelevant when talking about the respect these men and women deserve. Or indeed arguments against any war. Nobody thinks war is a fantastic idea,lives are lost,families destroyed,lives ruined in the aftermath. We are lucky that these people fought and still fight, for us.

[threesocksmorgan]

yanbu

[SirBoobAlot]

He is being a prize dick about today. I hate this freaking attitude of "I don't approve of war so I hate 11/11". People died. You don't have to like why they did, but you do have to respect the fact they did, and that their sacrifice means we have the freedom to go into coffee shops because we want to.

But I think the issue is more than that. He's undermining something which is very important to you son - and as an ex-PO cadet, I can tell you the preparation for Armistice Day start months before.

Does her insult other important things to you and your children?

Frankly I don't think I could be with such a twat.

[LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726]

He's just spouting the ignorant soundbites that other disrespectful people spout. Treat his stupid comments with the contempt they deserve and ask him to just keep his thoughts to himself around you.

You can't control what other people do, think and say, but you can express your disgust and do your best to teach your children what you believe and know to be right.

[DontmindifIdo]

OP - really don't focus on the anti-rememberance day behaviour, focus on his stroppy behaviour because he had to take part in somehting he doesn't care about in order to support your DS. really, he couldn't put a smile on his face say "you look really smart" to your DS, stand showing his support for DS even if he didn't want to support the troops? That is grade A Arse behaviour.

Men who are only there for things they find fun might be great when everything is fun, but they can't be relied upon when life gets difficult and complicated. In a small way, he's just shown you he's not good at things he doesn't find fun. I wouldn't want him to be someone I had to rely on in a bad time.

[LoveYouForeverMyBaby]

Honeytea what an extremely disrespectful, flippant comment. Its obviously not about "speaking german" now is it. That comment is used as a symbol to demonstrate had it not been for those fighting for our freedom and freedom of speech, we would be living under a dictatorship regime. The "we'd all be speaking German" is a simplistic symbolism of this. Use your common sense and have some respect.

[Whatsmyproblem]

Is this the first time he's revealed his true colours as a thick, ignorant twat? How have you not noticed before now? This kind of shitty attitude doesn't normally exist in a vacuum.

Anyway YANBU.

Point him in the direction of some of the war poets like Wilfred Owen (assuming the dense wanker can read). Let him read of the horror straight from the horse's mouth.

[honeytea]

I think people should say what they mean and saying we would be living under a dictatorship regime is very different to saying we'd be speaking German, I don't think it is right to use simplistic symbolism for something that is really very serious.

Personally I do take time out to remember the impact of war on all involved. You can be thankful and still ask questions.