to think that child benefit cuts are

[mumsfretter]

understandable even though we personally lose as a family, again! However, I resent people who are much much richer than us getting winter fuel allowance still.

Aibu that the two benefits should have been cut together on the same basis or not at all.

Can't say I remember linerunner what year was it released?

Later than Greensleeves.

Can't say I'm familiar with that either

Yes working fathers should where possible support their kids but if they have no income should the mother and child be left high and dry. The child support agency is there to try and get the money back but men know how to play the system by hiding income if they are well off or simply making themselves unemployed. Some mothers don't help in that they don't let fathers see the child so dad stops paying but mother could go to jail in that case. Do you see the govt having enough evidence to send a man to jail for being unemployed intentionally. To be honest it may actually suit the guy.

My ExH is employed in the public sector at a decent salary, pays a pittance, sees the DCs as much (or in his case as little) as he likes.

I work bloody hard to make money, bring them up, have spent years organising childcare & babysitters, attend every event, homework, run the house, cook, clean, take them to every medical, dental, optician appointment, and look forward now to not being able to afford to help them very much with college and university whilst ExH shrugs his shoulders - and posters on here will suggest I apply for state bursaries.

Why is no-one telling men like my my ExH that they are ripping off the country?

I'll have to do a thread ...

Pinkie

You are very naive to think that paying tax for 30 years (clearly not that much or you wouldn't be below the threshold for CB) will come close to the amount you and your child/ren will take back over the next 20 years.

The thing you are missing is that benefits come in all sorts of forms including your tax free allowance which you must receive bearing in mind you must earn under 50K.

My DH and myself both earn over the threshold of having ANY tax free allowance, we privately educate our children and went private for birth etc. (this is not a stalth boast). My point is that we truly do not receive any benefits unlike yourself, BUT I absolutely believe that is right and that benefits should be there for those that need it. I would hope if things went tits up for us there would be some sort of safety net.

I would hate to live in a society where benefits didn't exists and the fact that a minority of people abuse the system does not many the majority including yourself Pinkie shouldn't receive yours in whatever form that might be. In your case your tax free allowance and free school and NHS etc.

Great post there, Mumsfretter.
Pinkie - no-one's trying to be the voice of doom, or is having a go because you're happy and have a good support system. They're pointing out that not everyone has this set-up in their lives, or that they've had it and it's evaporated.

Empathy is what's needed here.

thanks minouminou I would like to know what Pinkie makes of it.

I have often met people who are angry (normally Daily Mail reader ) about people receiving benefits because according to them it's "MY TAXES THAT PAY FOR THOSE SCROUNGERS" When in fact their taxes don't even cover their own kids education. So if their going to work on a zero sum basis they should realise with 2 kids and earning an average wage they actually take out more from the system than they put it. Pinkie might be included in that category especially if she plans to have another child.

So pinkie you feel entitled to child benefit as you and you dh have paid in for 30 years.
That's exactly how higher rate taxpayers feel and they have paid in alot more than you have.
I have paid in for 20 years. (SAHM at moment) and dh for 25 years at hrt level and is likely to for another 20 or so years.
We will lose chb. It is annoying but we have accepted it. Plus I also now accept that we benefit from the NHS and our children's education although dh has private healthcare paid but work which costs him a fortune in tax. New meaning to paying twice,