To wonder why so many honour killings happen in Islamic countries when Islam preaches peace?

[Mooblies]

Also, how could a parent who loves their child consider killing them for honour, or do the people that commit them not really love their children?

I'm asking questions which have been soundly, roundly, robustly ignored. I don't know who beech is and obviously I don't care. It's a bit rich to say "asking all those questions all those times makes you a bigot" when you had the chance to answer them a long time ago.

Silibili: this, for example, was one central question you ignored:

"Isn't it obvious that some people believe their actions are directed by the Qran when even people like me - non-Muslims - realise it isn't? These problems have to be addressed by Muslims - no extremist is going to listen to me."

I would be interested in your response.

Silibili: "You refuse to even set foot in moderate countries like Dubai."

What on earth are you talking about? Why are you making this up?

brycie, te answer to that is that these questions need to be addressed by the societies that carry out honour killings. As we have said to you before, it is not specific to Islam or Muslims.
As or fundamentalists not listening to you, hell, the way you put across your views, even moderates and non Muslims like me feel you are being unfair and bigoted. What of Muslim fundamentalists!!!

Brycie. That's me!! Is Dubai the same country that Marly got her children taken from her by the authorities because her husband entrapped her and accused her of adultery. She was deported without her kids. Dubai is a soulless place that is astounding ostentatious displays of wealth or poverty? Why would anyone want to go there?

It is pretty specific to cultures and religious groups that place the value of men above women in a legal framework as well as others.

What do mean by "addressed by the societies"? What societies?

"As we have said to you before, it is not specific to Islam or Muslims."
My first post on this thread pointed that out. But thanks Just because child abuse is not limited to Catholic priests doesn't mean the Catholic church doesn't need to address the problem.

You haven't read my posts - you have no real idea how I put across my views. You've misquoted and misrepresented, name-called ignored, mixed me up with other people. It would have been so much easier to answer the question.

So. What societies should be addressing this?

Posie: I wouldn't want to go to Dubai but mainly because of its soullessness too. Does it help that I've travelled to Indonesia and Malaysia? Am I allowed to have an opinion then Silibilimili?

If we said Asian, like the men that groomed the girls in Rochdale, you would say it was racist, wouldn't you? It's not, the Asian community have questions to answer.

No posie, the Asian community does not have questions to answer re. Grooming of young girls. The Pakistani community does. I do not see the Chinese and the Japanese and the Vietnamese and the Burmese and the Nepalese and the Indian and the Bangladeshi and the .... Communities grooming young girls. You see the difference?! Asia is large. Please go learn your geography as well as your history.

So Silibili: which societies need to address honour killing?

Answer the question if you can. No need to be insulting - it's childish and really shows that you've failed to prove your point and have to resort to that.

You have no idea if you agree with my posts - you haven't read half of them, or more than half.

Answer the question if you can.

Just scanning this thread, and I think it's a topic that should be discussed, it seems that quite a few attempts have been made to silence folk, in the form of attacks and accusations on those who want to explore and understand.

That's what first strikes me first.

"It is pretty specific to cultures and religious groups that place the value of men above women in a legal framework as well as others."

Yes, that appears to be a fact backed by evidence.

Perhaps you should complain to the Home Secretary as he also said The Asian community.

Do you mean former Home Sec Jack Straw

YY. No idea why I left that word out!!

I think a lot of asians have been complaining of the use of the word asian in some of these issues. If you read papers other than the daily fail, and incorrect guardian articles you will see. (This guardian reading is another thing you have in common with the poster called beech. You both should definitely meet. )

brycie, why do you need me to answer your question so badly?!

Some of the posters on here have pointed out the communities where honour kills are happening. They are not all Islamic. Some posters have pointed out to you that some imams are trying to address this issue in their society and you again keep wanting to push te same point. More than one person has said your views sound bigoted, and you have not explained, just kept on and on with the same thing.

So some 'Asian' men have groomed young girls for sex. Some 'European' men have also abused children and groomed them for sex.
What can be done. Shall we have the whole of Asia and Europe address this question or shall we narrow this down to Pakistani men or catholic priests?!

Why do you not want to answer it so badly Silibili?

You've name-called and been exceptionally rude in order to defence your claim that honour killings have nothing to do with Islam at all.

So. Which societies need to address honour killing? Why don't you want to answer it? It's because you will have to acknowledge that honour killing is an issue which must be addressed within Islam. Not despite the fact that it's not directed by the Qran. BECAUSE of that fact.

"Some of the posters on here have pointed out the communities where honour kills are happening. They are not all Islamic." Yes, one of them was me. In my first post. The ones you don't read. But have decided are bigoted anyway.

why brycie*? You want me to say the 'Muslim society?! But it's not solely their problem is it?! It is a problem prevalent in many communities/societies. Each has to answer it in its own way. So the society where these killings are a common place has to answer this.
But it really is not that common is it? These honour killings? As we have seen earlier in the thread. It is tragic when this happens but is not common is it?!
We are better off addressing the education problem than trying to control culture and point fingers at religion.
Educate a man and you educate just him. Educate a women and you educate a whole generation. Not sure where I have read this but I strongly believe education to be the answer to a lot of the issues I see.

Well Geography won't help me love, Pakistan is in Asia after all. I think we can assume without me googling I was going for a broad term as opposed to one group.

Ah I knew they weren't all Pakistani, one was from Afghanistan. So ASIAN.

Anyway not all Catholic Priests abuse children and not all child abuse is committed by Catholic Priest, and we know that it is not part of Catholic teachings and yet we all concur that the Catholic church should find out why. YET we know that some honour killings happen in Islamic countries and communities, amongst other communities of male privilege, and we still deny a causal link? o kaaay

Ah but you see, the broader you make things, the less specific and therefore ineffective your solution will be.
Similarly, Islam is so broad that to say this problems happens in Islam (which it does) is like saying it happens in Asia (which it does). You have to describe the problem more effectively by wing specific to answer it well.