To wonder why so many honour killings happen in Islamic countries when Islam preaches peace?

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Also, how could a parent who loves their child consider killing them for honour, or do the people that commit them not really love their children?

how am i contradicitng myself?

yes some people often try to preserve a life they have known many have lost everything, many want to feel some form of control over their life better the devil you know than the devil you don't. how many expats live a very british life in spain, australia only mix with other british this is human nature

i have no idea what forum you are talking about but i know of agencies that work with muslim woman and work in specific areas and yes they are run by muslims its a connection they have a little trust is there where it may not be with a non muslim adn the problem with that is exactly

Perhaps if these communities weren't so separate this country would be better for all. That's the thing that relgion can do, that's what dressing different can do....it makes us separate communities living side by side NOT multi cultural.

The Somali Forum is a group in Bristol, the self appointed leaders of the Somali community, all men. So when organisations want to better communicate with Somalis they speak with the Forum.

And of course some people remain with their own tribe when abroad, but it doesn't make it right. I can't think why anyone wants to live here but refuses to be British or hates Britain or British culture and the British.

I don't think they hate all thing British. They stick with each other as there is safety in numbers. It's basic evolution. Basic human needs and nature to want to belong to a group, a pack.
The problem is why are we as British not able to penetrate this shell and make everyone British, like everyone in America is American.

Everyone in the US does not consider themselves as American only, hence you have lots -American communities - Irish American, Italian American, Cuban American.

Just because someone wears a certain type of clothing, speaks another/different language and isn't Christian or atheist does not mean they aren't British or hate Britain. You're starting to sound like the BNP.

Also, I'm still waiting to hear exactly why covering my hair with fabric is such a barrier. Do you think the same of a turban or skull cap?

oh yes of course if only everyone took on the british way if only colonisation worked the world would be a better place

Religious men using religion to manipulate and but fear in people goes on every where along with cult leaders it is about power

Well said, I think this is true for every religion including Christianity; and it really is the root of the problem. I would say that religious male leaders use religion against women as a form of power. They are not concerned about what the holy text actually says, when it comes down to it.

In Islam, sadly, this can go very far indeed - e.g. imams blaming earthquakes on women's immodesty. It is so hypocritical it makes me sad. Why are the men not to be blamed for lusting after women?; why is it the 'evil woman's' fault? Why does a woman need to cover her God-given face and body for the sake of men?

Some other interesting points have been made RE education - I agree that it is the greatest means whereby women can be liberated and proteced.

Freudian - you've attempted to lecture us while at the same time denying that honour killings have anything to do with Islam.

You might know this, that and the other -but if you don't know that there's a connection between Islam and honour killings then you don't know diddly squat.

Freudian do you live in the UK ? Because you seem to hate British people and British history and heaven forfend British culture

Goth - it's freudian who's beginning to sound like the BNP and silibii who seems to be suggesting Muslims behave like a pack. I do hope she doesn't mean that.

I guess both they and you still deny any connection between Islam and honour killings. Anybody that does that is part of the problem of perpetuating this kind of mysogyny.

"I again reiterate. Where the level of education is higher, the freedom for women is greater."

Saudi Arabia.

What's the point.

Brycie - You need to stop setting yourself as some kind of authority when you know arse all.

Also, saying that colonialism was a bad thing does not equate to hating Britain.

Still waiting on a response as to why a headscarf is more of a barrier then a turban.

Just like saying honour killing is a bad thing doesn't equate with hating Islam. See what you did there?

It's very rude to say I know arse all when I do at least know that there is a connection between Islam and honour killing. As ong as you deny it, you are part of the problem. It easily puts you in the category of "think you know quite a bit - but actually don't have the first clue".

Who said the headscarf was a barrier? The face covering is a barrier. Do you disagree?

please c&p a sample of my hating british culture

and yes i do live here

I think a lot of British women converts are protesting about something, it's like Greenham or CND 25 years ago, a focus for a vague need to show one disagrees with the Iraq war, and doesn't like the BNP, wishes to show support for the Palestinians, and won't admit to a prejudice against the US but secretly it's in there somewhere, and isn't Guantanamo Bay awful - all well intentioned but a bit muddled up. Instead of a gap year, maybe.

Then Freudian - maybe you should try to extend your understanding of a culture where, for example, adultery is no one's business but the family's; and where most members of it feel a sense of guilt and compensation for colonialism; because quite frankly if you think "the British way" is still colonialism then you don't know much.

I don't know why I said "British" women converts - it's the wrong word. Even "western" is the wrong word. Perhaps I just mean women converts.

'Everyone in the US does not consider themselves as American only, hence you have lots -American communities - Irish American, Italian American, Cuban American.'

They do consider themselves American only. The hyphens are attached to 'American'. Scratch that green t-shirt that gets taken out on St Paddy's Day and underneath you will find an American.

Do you honestly not see any difference between putting on a hat or head covering and covering up your face GAD? Do you understand the purpose of masks at all?

do you think i am not british?

I have no idea. Do you deny there is a connection between Islam and honour killings?

my dad now lives in america never calls himself american he is not though has lived there for 30 years he is proud of where he is from and so are my aunts, uncles and cousins who are there and god forbid they tend to mix with others from the same background

though sadly some have been brainwashed into thinking the bbc is spreading an anti american message but that is a different debate

'i have no idea what forum you are talking about but i know of agencies that work with muslim woman and work in specific areas and yes they are run by muslims its a connection they have a little trust is there where it may not be with a non muslim adn the problem with that is exactly'

Why would a Muslim woman not trust someone who was not Muslim?

I am gathering this is not an issue of a language barrier here.

I don't see niqab like that. I know people who wear it, it's a fairly common sight where I live, so it's no big deal.

I also used to work in an environment where people wore face protection, you get used to that too.

I don't care about your Dad. Do you deny there is a connection between honour killings and Islam?

How tedious, don't like face covering therefore must support BNP.

Go ask Cote why she thinks it's a barrier.

So what if it's a common sight where you live? Most people don't wear masks most of the time in most places and most people don't feel comfortable with other people wearing masks. Talk about a statement of the obvious.

i have said over and over again that some honour killings do happen in muslim cultures listed some of the reasons why too