To wonder why so many honour killings happen in Islamic countries when Islam preaches peace?

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Also, how could a parent who loves their child consider killing them for honour, or do the people that commit them not really love their children?

In some asian countries arranged marriages are common place regardless what religion you are

So every catholic was in support of the ira. All Italian Catholics have to answer for the abuse of the Irish catholic church after all they are both catholic

Here we go. Posie will tell us that Muslims aren't allowed on these threads soon because we're brainwashed/don't agree with her.

brycie- yes, because demonising a people and painting them as subhuman has never lead to anything bad has it?

It is also creepy the way some of you are seething with hatred and disgust towards Muslims yet I'm sure you'd be oh so polite if you ever met a Muslim.

I go about my business, I work in a valuable job, I think I'm generally a decent member of society. Like a lot of Muslims. But that still wouldn't stop bigots like Posie only seeing my headscarf and thinking vile things about me and my loved ones.

And before you start, most Muslims do not seethe with hatred at non-Muslims.

Oh here we go GAG avoiding the issues and turning the debate into 'poor Muslims' we're victims of Islamophobia and people aren't allowed to criticise us, but no not us as we're not us, oh no yes we are....

Yes Catholics are responsible for the covering up of paedophilia and have to look within to find out why all these men managed to do this protected by the church.

And GAG noone has said or implied that they hate Muslims, see that's how you stifle intelligent debate GAG. Many have criticised Islam and I think they have done so in a fair way.

Perhaps you are mistaking me for a Christian, or one who feels that they would like to defend Christianity. I do think it's a lesser evil, granted, but I in no way support it.

Can you name some countries where Islam spread with peace?

Poise you have made a statement of how all Muslims feel You keep posting things that yes do happen In Some muslim societies but also happen in non muslim societies yet you fail to recognise the the vast majority of Muslims are as appalled by honour killings as you are you do not want to believe that why I am not sure

Sorry where have I posted anything about honour killings and ALL muslims? I'm saying it's foolish to think when something happens in any culture/society/religion that people do not look within it to find the cause.

All catholics are responsible then. The little old lady in southern Italy is as responsible as those that supported the ira financially in the states for committing terrorist acts ok that makes things very simple

EG. The fact that white girls were groomed by Muslim men, in gangs, in the North means the Muslim culture has questions to answer.

But the is nothing I Islam that supports honour killings there is in some cultures

"Can you name some countries where Islam spread with peace?"

Can you name some countries where Christianity spread with peace? (Hoping you will not count colonisation and slave trade as "peaceful")

People don't usually want to change their religion unless they have to. It is not the fault of Islam or any other religion. It is just people's stubborn adherence to their dogma of choice.

All Catholics? Yes. Everyone has a duty to question the church.

so my Sri lankan cousins who are Muslim need to look within their culture to find the answer ok I shall give them a call

Here we go - defence by attacking what was done in the name of Christianity in the past.

Was that wrong? Why yes it was. We can see that now. We have advanced. Hence why we condemn it when we see it in other cultures in the name of religion.

"I think the issue is that Islam has had no 'reformation', no period where they have reflected and altered, unlike Christianity. Muslims take their own religion way too seriously and expect the rest of the world to do the same."

I have said that a number of times on previous threads. I'm glad that you have understood and assimilated it

Islam has come 600 years after Christianity. It will also have its Enlightenment but probably not before things get heavier and darker yet.

These things have to run their courses.

Brycie - Was that to me?

I wasn't attacking Christianity. I was showing that spread of religion through war is a characteristic of how religion is generally spread and that Islam is not singularly egregious in this respect.

In the meantime we can condemn and not tolerate, not make excuses, not condone, not allow it in the UK, not appease, not in any way attempt to defend it on the grounds that white people/Christians/insert religion culture here also carried out crimes in the name of religion.

Cote. It is not an either or, I thought I'd made that pretty clear.

Until Constantine I cannot think of that much violence, unlike the early days of Islam.

No not you Cote CrescentMoon. My last comment was though. Sort of.

Also re spread of Islam through the sword - Why do you think Eastern Europe has remained Christian despite a long Ottoman rule?

That doesn't fit in with your ideas of scary Muslims warring to spread their religion, does it?

Posie - So what exactly is your point? That all religions have at one time or another taken up the sword?

Does it really matter that Islam did this in the beginning and Christianity did it a bit later?

The Ottomans were moderate , hence the gorgeous carpets covered with pictures of people and animals