To think that this woman is a greedy bitch?

[TheHairyDieter]

Greedy Bitch here

I believe that state handouts should be for people who genuinely need them. There is just not enough money to go around without giving them to people who are well-off. If Child Benefit was means tested, people on low incomes could be given more. That might be enough to get them off the dole and into work.

Honestly, this article had me seething. I hate greed

Shriek, I pay about £25 a month in tax.

"A trip to Clarks for the start of the school term last month cost nearly £100. There was something quite heartening to think the State was directly responsible for ensuring my children had shoes."

If you have a household income of £100k then you don't need the 'state' to buy your childrens' shoes FFS. If you earn that and can't ensure your own children have shoes than your money management leaves a lot to be desired.

We'll lose our CB. I don't care. We don't need the money, it's not going to leave us on the breadline. The country can't afford it. There are people who need it more than we do.

In any country with a welfare state there are always those who take advantage of the system. I think you have to accept that, whilst simultaneously understanding that, in principle, it's a good thing.

IMHO it's the mark of a truly civilised nation that there are safety nets there to help people for whom life is more difficult, often through no fault of their own.

But it should never be seen as an entitlement, as Epstein seems to think.

Horrible woman, and a piss-poor journalist to boot.

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Oh. Sorry, wasn't asking for specifics, just didn't realise

ha! a troll?! because my opinion does not mach up with yours i must be a troll?

i did not say that any of you are sat on your arse doing nothing, but i do think that there are people out there doing just that.... so shoot me!

"How about if you earn enough to pay tax you don't get CB. This is where it will end up. "

If we did not get CB then we would not have money for food, that thought fills me with dread. I cannot scrimp and save any more than I do already by going without myself, I don't watch television when the children don't want to watch it in order to save on the electricity, I don't heat the house when I am at home on my own, I eat the bare minimum in order to feed my children decent meals. If I lost child benefit then it would be the end.
I got a lecture the other day about not nurturing myself, with what precisely?

Head. Brick wall.

And where are all these jobs? Lots of people are applying for every job going and getting nowhere. My dh works in a retail position and last week they had 259 applicants for a 18 hour a week Christmas temp job.

I also get really annoyed with this assumption people who are doing ok seem to have that it's never going to happen to them.

5 years ago I was earning £45K as a marketing manager with a dh earning £50k and one dd. My dh left me and literally vanished (no contact since). I was made redundant. I had to sell my house and I was unable to find another job for 2 years. When I finally did it was hotel work for 12 hours a week on minimum wage.

Don't knock those below you on the way up, you might be seeing them on the way down.

All of us, aside from asset or savings rich, are only a sacking away from poverty.

i most certainly am not 'only a sacking away from poverty'! speak for your self!

Secondly, this is very clever, while everyone argues about child benefit, the gov are pulling the plug on disabled people.

The vast majority of the population have either no idea or they don't give a shit.

What if like me, one of your children is born with a disability brrbrr?

enjoy all that time to sit on your bum Amber
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I am a single parent but earn just over £26,000. I have a mortgage at £900 but rent would be the same round here so no point moving and at least I can have a lodger to help me pay that. I claim no tax credits (as my mum is amazing as does all my child care) because quite frankly it is not worth it and as I can work overtime it would just be taken off me the following year anyway.

The only thing I get from the state is CB. Rarely been unemployed and so not really taken any money there from the huge amount of tax I pay in. I figured that once they started bringing this in then it would not be too long before they carried on lowering the threshold so I decided I might as well get used to not having it and put it into my DS savings account despite there being times I could have done with the money. At least this way I dont rely on it and I work extra shifts so that I can take my DS on holiday not a necessity to some but something I never did with my parents and I want my DS to have that with me. I rarely buy anything for myself or go out and this is just one of those sacrifices you do for your children.

The woman in the article has some valid points but how she can get a kick out of the state buying her kids shoes is beyond me. It is not up to the state to provide for your children unless you have no choice and they have an income of £100,000 a year something most of us dream of. I expect they spend more than their CB a week in eating out so really have no need.

Posie yes, true.

The trouble is that, for assorted reasons, too many people think they are entitled to whatever they want, whenever they want it. Yes, the banks are at fault here for allowing people credit cards etc who should never have been allowed. If I wanted something when I was a teenager, I had to save up and get it. It was never given to me. I'm the same now. Nowadays, kids want everything and expect it and play merry hell if at the age of 10 they haven't been given a Playstation, a smartphone, a DVD player etc. Too many parents give in and don't teach kids about money. I know families on over £50k jointly who lament the fact that they can't afford a holiday, so they count themselves as poor. My parents and I went on holiday for the first time when I was 14, and then it was a holiday camp on the Isle of White.

And how many of those who WERE earning £50k plus were properly putting money aside? I do that. Even when I was earning £16k, I was paying mortgage, council tax, electricity, going to hobbies, eating well and still having enough left over for treats. And I was still able to afford £10 per month insurance cover to pay my mortgage for 2 years if I was made redundant. I bet a lot of those on £50k who had to downsize or sell the house had decided NOT to opt for that type of insurance but were still going on holiday every year etc etc.

This year was the first time I ever went abroad. I saved for it.

Brr your opinion is not based in fact. This has been pointed out on this thread both generally with a suggestion of where you can interrogate the data and evidentially. By contiually saying something is true without evidence mearly makes you seem ignorant - either willfully or because you are unable to follow a logical arguement to it's conclusion. What it doesn't do is make an erronerously held belief true.

oops - Isle of Wight. Typing too quickly!

Unless you're asset rich or have huge savings most people are mortgaged sizeably and have a little personal debt. Therefore if the main income was lost most people would plunge into poverty after one year.

POSIE"Me losing my CB will not benefit the military, it will not benefit the disabled, the homeless, the needy.... it will pay off the deficit "

well, yes. Of course ther more money there is, the more money there is to pay off the defecit

I do however take umbrage as being called misinformed. I would prefer to move to a more socialist system with higher taxes, and more equality

and I feel quite guilty getting £134 a month that I can live without , when people are suffering

If that makes me "misinformed" then so be it...........

and what fairlea said, many of us are very lucky, and our wind could change. ergo thats why I would prefer my pocket money, is allocated for those that need it

Indeed SHRIIIEEEEK!

So brrbrr say you have a child and that child has a disability, then your high earning DH fucks off and due to your caring responsibilities you can no longer do shift work, you lose your job.

BAMM you are me and you are now able to 'sit on your bum all day'

amberleaf there is no need to swear at me, i did not swear at you. I did not call YOU a lazy cow, but simply said that there are a lot around.

I hate the way newspapers on this subject focus on the well off,what about those on 50-60K who are really going to feel the loss of CB and have no state help what so ever?

Those 'too many people feeling entitled' detracts from 'too many children below the poverty line in our first world country' or 'too many people on DLA are in poverty'. And I genuinely don't believe that the way to inspire people to want more from life is to fuck them financially, it is to give them a decent living wage so that working pays more....not by benefits being cut and making these people so disenfranchised that there is no route back in to mainstream society.

i wont be having a child with a disability Amber, because i dont like children. BUT if i did then i would be ok, my DH earns a LOT, so i would get plenty from the child support people.

FRomParis. But your money won't be redistributed to anyone that needs it. We, as a society, don't benefit from the deficit being paid off.... most of us NEVER will.

Well let's hope your husband doesn't leave you then brrrr or you don't find yourself disabled. Shit happens.