To think that this woman is a greedy bitch?

[TheHairyDieter]

Greedy Bitch here

I believe that state handouts should be for people who genuinely need them. There is just not enough money to go around without giving them to people who are well-off. If Child Benefit was means tested, people on low incomes could be given more. That might be enough to get them off the dole and into work.

Honestly, this article had me seething. I hate greed

I did not call you a lazy cow that is the flaw in your arguement brr. The vast majority of claimants are working. Therefore you have called the majority of claimants lazy in error. Quite possibly one of the posters here.

The Daily Mail love winding people up by getting someone to write an inflammatory article, that probably has only the slightest acquaintance with truth.

i am sure i will be fine posie, but thank you for your concern.

Posie, why are we doing ti then? (genuine, if maybe stupid, question)

And brr what if you dh sneakily says he doesn't earn much as he quits his job and goes cash in hand? What if he moves abroad somewhere that is outside the csa jusidsitcion? Both things happened to me.

I bet Voice you could afford all that on 16K because the state was propping up your salary with various benefits and you were paying less tax.

I don't know anybody on 50K with the lifestyle you describe.

Also many people have high mortgages through absolutely no fault of their own.They may have to live in an expensive area through work,entered the housing market late(rent if often more £££££ these days) and had zero help to get a mortgage.

We will lose cb. My dh earns just under £100K and I am a sahm. Whilst, obviously, we are not badly off in the slightest, we will notice that it's gone. It's not really the government's fault though - it's ours - we have quite a bit of debt which we are servicing/paying off and if we didn't have that then the cb would be a drop in the ocean. Thankfully, the mini tax break we get from them raising the amount you can be paid before you start paying income tax, plus a reduced nursery bill when my dd's NEF grant kicks in in January means our income will be almost exactly the same as it was before we lost cb - it would be nice to be £200 a month better off (we have 3dc), but hey ho, and as I said, down to us and our lifestyle choices. Yes, we pay a huge amount of tax, but even after that we have loads left and even though lots of it is tied up with mortgage and debt management, we still have a nice lifestyle - anyone who says they need cb when earning this sort of money is talking rubbish (although I suppose some Londoners may feel it more - we are in a pricey part of the Midlands).

Really? I thought you were planning children in the future?

Im guessing you're quite young brrbrr

Yes as Posie says, you too may find yourself disabled.

BUT if i did then i would be ok, my DH earns a LOT, so i would get plenty from the child support people

Staggeringly naive.

What Petite said, YABU for using the word "bitch".

fairy, errr because my dh is not a twat!

They are never twats until you split up.

As I said staggeringly naive.

Well I doubt any of the women who found themselves single parents suspected their oh was a twat either.

Mine didn't start out a twat either.

Prairie - ah, yes, forgot to mention I do get a discount on my council tax as a single person (who lives in a one-bedroomed flat). I also have a car and manage to run that, petrol, insurance (have no choice, public transport in a rural area is shit). But that's the only benefit I have ever taken and yes, I am grateful for it. There's something VERY wrong if people earning £50k can't cope, am sorry, but there is. And honestly, I am very happy for you to see my bank statements to prove it. It took me 18 months to save up for my foreign holiday and then as cheap as I could do it.

I could actually cope without that discount and probably break even on the year. Perhaps I should indeed hand it back to someone more deserving. But as I work for a charity and do two evenings a week volunteering for another charity, I'll take it. As I biologically can't have children, I'm never going to get my child benefit that Ms Epstein says EVERY person in society is entitled to.

oh right, ok well i am sure that you old hands know everything about my DH and I! I shall not go into it anymore, because i really think my views on thigs may blow your minds! and blood vessles

A friend of mine works her arse off, she's a single mother, two kids, a mother living with her with Alzheimer's (she pays for a carer), she works full time, she probably gets CB at the moment. With having to pay private rent I don't think she has a stack of money spare.

Her EX pays excessive amounts into a private pension informs the CSA so they re evaluated his income, reduce his contributions and then he pays less to his pension. His wife is an MD of an area (says loans) of a high street bank.

Brrrr, the thing with unexpected shit in ones life is that it's unexpected.

By 'old hands' I'm guessing you mean wise and experienced.

But why aren't they focusing on those with 50-60K not the 100k when they write these articles?It's like those in the middle just don't exist.The rich don't care because they don't rely on it,the poor at the bottom are glad and want more for them-everybody couldn't give a stuff re the squeezed middle.

I personally believe that CB should be scrapped for higher earners but on a sliding scale based on household income rather than 1 wage earner -I think a family income of 90k still recieving when a family with a SAHP with an income of 60k not getting it is wrong

however, the thing that winds me up most about these articles is 'we work hard for our money so why should we be penalised?'

well actually I work very hard for my money too but 'only' earn 24k
as a single parent, paying £275 a month childcare & a mortgage of £600 a month I recieve child benefit and £115 a month tax credits

I can't afford to take my DCs on holiday (they are very fortunate that their grandparents take them), Clarks is a thing of dreams and all of us wear 2nd hand

I work hard to provide for my family and someone earning 60k suggesting that I don't work as hard which is why I don't earn what they do -is frustrating to say the least

You would be shocked how many partners can run out of a relationship and never look back, some even plan for the most horrific assault of finances before they go..... and they are NEVER suspected.

I think the 'we pay lots of tax and should get something back' argument is a bit ridiculous. Our household income is significantly more than the cut off, we pay a huge amount of tax which is really quite depressing sometimes. But we benefit enormously from living in the UK - we got our educations (dh totally free, I paid the low tuition fees), I've had 3 babies, my dd has had a lot if hospital treatment and a life saving operation, my dc will have a free education until uni, my ds with asd is being supported, my gran was treated for breast cancer (and survived), my fil had a life saving quadruple heart bypass - and those are just the big things I can think of right now! When I think of these things, it really doesn't bother me that I am losing my cb.

My ex isn't the stereotypical twat either... he owns his own successful company. He and I were together 7 years. We tried for our dd for 2 years. We split up when she was 1. He sold his business, works for cash in hand so I have no hope with csa and settle for a meagre amount from him and recently he's moved abroad outside of the csas power.

Did I ever think he would be like that? No. Not ever.

The naivety of people on these threads astound me.

Yes but brr I don't think anyone married their DH thinking they were a twat.

As someone else said, shit happens.

I may be wrong but I am guessing you are either quite young or have just been lucky enough in life to not have had much shit... yet.

So Voice you got nothing else at all?

Also what would you have done if you had to spend over 1K a month on a mortgage or rent and the equivalent on commuting bills X1?