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Aibu to think that anyone who believes is derren brown is daft?

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TENDTOprocrastinate · 26/10/2012 21:50

I have no belief in derren browns psychic ability. his usual hypnosis shows are blatantly all set up with actors/actresses. I have had many an argument about this in the past with dh. His current 'apocalypse' show- if it were real- would be a Jeremy beadle gone (far) too far. However, this apocalypse show is mildly entertaining. At least he is admiting that there are actors involved- though clearly guy who is supposed to be hypnotised is an actor too. (Dh thinks otherwise)

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MinnieBar · 29/10/2012 13:39

Arf at 'he's either working for MI5/6, they can't decide which.'

Yes, that's the only flaw in that theory? [hgrin]

cornybeefhash · 29/10/2012 15:24

Kelly i don't know!
He does appear to be processing everything really slowly though so I wondered whether he was still hypnotised
Surely they'd have chosen a better actor for the lead role though?
The little girl is believable for sure, as is the ambulance driver

cornybeefhash · 29/10/2012 15:26

Mi5 advertise jobs online....they aren't that covert!

DitaVonCheese · 29/10/2012 16:01

Why are people so hung up on him going to the loo? Confused It's not in real time. I assume the moving water bottles is due to editing a chunk of conversation out as well. Meh

(Oh yes, and the girl seeing herself die one was horrible!)

waterlego6064 · 29/10/2012 17:10

All this speculation has made it into a couple of the papers today- Sun and DM. DB must be cacking himself. Or loving it!

waterlego6064 · 29/10/2012 17:11

I hated that one too, Dita. It freaked me out for ages afterwards. I didn't doubt that one at the time but now don't know what to think. Surely that would be a real PTSD risk too?

hackmum · 29/10/2012 17:23

When I first started watching DB's tv show, I swallowed the line that he had special psychological insights that enabled him to work out what job someone did or what card they were going to pick. I eventually realised this was all baloney, and everything he did was a magic trick, just like Paul Daniels, but dressed up with a good deal of showmanship. These days DH and I get a great deal of pleasure out of watching the tv programmes of his live shows and working out how he does each trick (an awful lot of them are surprisingly simple).

When it comes to the hypnosis stuff, though, I really don't know whether he's genuinely hypnotising people or whether it's all just more trickery. Haven't seen the latest one so can't comment on that, but I still have no idea whether that one where he persuaded someone to carry out a heist was really a result of using techniques like NLP or whether it was all staged. The same for the Russian roulette one, and every other similar one that involved apparently unsuspecting members of the public. You do have to ask, though: if it's all staged, what's the point? It seems to be an awful lot of effort to go to just to play a trick on the audience.

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noblegiraffe · 29/10/2012 18:34

From DB's Q&A

WAS STEVEN AN ACTOR?

Despite conspiracy theories and rumours online, Steven is not a stooge, or an actor, or in any way just playing along. Same goes for his family and friends that you see in the programme. They?d all have to be actors too. And all his REAL family ? and anyone that knows him ? taken away and quietly killed. My shows always provoke a flurry of people insisting it?s all fake, and I?ve come to expect that ? exhausting and hurtful though it can be after months and months of love and sweating blood to make such massively ambitious and heart-felt programmes.

I have never, ever used stooges or actors in that way. It?s artistically repugnant, lazy and just unnecessary. And impossible to pull off, as anyone that knows him would of course be able to say so. We spent months setting up Steven?s experience, getting his family on board, and spending a vast sum of money making it as convincing as possible for him, and all our efforts making sure that he experienced a real transformation. To fake all of that with an actor would be pointless. A few theories have sprung up online ? firstly that he is a working actor who has appeared in a comedy ad. I?ve seen the ad ? that is not Steven. That is an actor with dark eyebrows who does look hilariously like him, but isn?t:

Others have found a picture of Steven with Adam Buxton taken four years ago when Adam was filming a pilot in Steven?s home town. Steven was an audience member and had his photo taken with Adam. Standing with an actor in a photograph does not make you an actor. Adam says ?He was not an acting in the pilot. He was in the audience.?

Lastly, concern has sprung up in some quarters because Steven had a profile page on a popular casting site where a lot of people of all ages put themselves up for extra work and crowd/audience stuff for TV shows (this was NOT how we found him but a lot of people sign up hoping to be on TV). He has since changed/tried to remove his profile as he was upset at the negative attention from people who took it to mean he was actually an actor.In fact Simon Dale, a director of Casting Call Pro (the website in question) has contacted me to verify that Steven created a profile but never completed it; didn?t upload any professional acting credits or headshots; and so his profile was never ?live? on their system because he did not meet the joining criteria ? ie he didn?t have professional acting training or experience.Aside from an ?ensemble? school production he has never, ever, ever acted. Even if he returns to this early interest in the future (his brother works as an occasional actor so it?s possible he might), it won?t mean he was acting in this show.

All the people who take part in these shows are 100% real. Matt Galley, from Hero at 30,000 ft had similar accusations of being a stooge, from similar conspiracy-driven quarters after his show. Part of the pity of these rumours are that it?s always hurtful for the participants involved who have been through an emotional, transformative experience, are feeling really good about themselves and have been looking forward to the show going out. It?s horrible.

Steven was chosen from thousands who applied to be part of the show, as we explained at the start. He was chosen because he was suggestible enough to allow me to put him asleep quickly, fit our desired profile of someone who took his life for granted, and yet was likeable enough to carry the show ? a rare combination. His mum, dad and family are all real too. They are a family living in Buckinghamshire.

On another note ? it simply wouldn?t be permissible now to pretend someone was a real member of the public if he or she was acting. Misleading the public in a TV show is a big deal, and a massive lie like that wouldn?t be permitted by the channel. But that?s beside the point: I just don?t use actors in that way. These stunts are not faked. You can just enjoy the show.

derrenbrown.co.uk/apocalypse-qa/

ethelb · 29/10/2012 18:40

Derren Brown referenced the Wizard of Oz in an article in teh radio times. There is an unedited version of the article on his blog. He is quite clear that he intends to send the actor/victim on his own yellow brick road, so there is nothing hidden/conspiracyesque about it.

QueenStromba · 29/10/2012 19:00

I think his Q&A addresses everything quite well. He obviously anticipated most of the issues people would have and had is answers prepared. I did like the inclusion of a "typo" though. I really don't believe that a man as meticulous as Derren Brown must be is capable of accidentally typing "to" instead of "too" and not noticing when he reads it back.

VivaLeBeaver · 29/10/2012 19:39

Derren Brown does come across as honest and sincere. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt now he's adamently denied it!

ShutTheFrontDoor · 29/10/2012 20:04

queen I've read it twice and can't see the typo?

QueenStromba · 29/10/2012 21:00

"WHERE DID THE IDEA COME FROM?

Iain Sharkey and Stephen Long, my co-writers and I, sat around playing with ideas. It seemed to good to be doable ? too big, too expensive, too unproducable ? but my brilliant production team managed to make it work with very little compromise."

JackThePumpkinKing · 29/10/2012 21:38

I think it's option d). He is a trained actor and well aware of what is going on, but the 250+ cast are not, and it's all about them.

As soon as it all turned a bit too 28 days later (and parts of it are exactly the same) it was obvious that it's a double/triple bluff.

I've just not quite sussed it out yet... hmmm...

"It's odd, isn't it, how unconvincing "actors" are when they're trying to convince the viewers that they aren't acting at all."

I think this is deliberate. The bit in the bus is very much the other people 'acting' and being OTT to make Steve look like he's reacting more realistically.

I agree about the sound and the filming. It looks edited, the sound is far too good and where are the cameras that are filming them to get the angles they get, without being obvious?

I'm certainly intrigued though, cannot wait for the Friday episode

JackThePumpkinKing · 29/10/2012 21:39

Queen - his Q&A addresses everything a little too well, don't you think? It's as if he's read this thread and written a response. Too clean if you ask me.

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VivaLeBeaver · 29/10/2012 21:53

Well I'm certainly convinced that noodle guy isn't apocalypse guy.

cornybeefhash · 29/10/2012 21:56

Me too

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Woozley · 29/10/2012 22:03

I find him deeply unpleasant. One of those people I cannot stand on my TV screen for five minutes.

QueenStromba · 29/10/2012 22:21

He's obviously thought about this a lot Jack and after previous shows he'll have known exactly what people will say before the show was aired. He probably edited it to make it look like the water bottles magically moved on purpose just to mess with us. I reckon the only thing he might not have predicted would be people mistaking Steve for the guy in the ad.

The protagonist waking up some time after a major catastrophe has happened is a well used narrative device to help the reader/viewer relate better to what is happening because they are living it through the main character. A good example is Lister waking up after 3 million years in cryostasis in Red Dwarf. 28 Days Later and The Walking Dead comic actually came up with the idea of the protagonist waking up in a hospital bed several weeks after the start of the zombie apocalypse independently. It's a bit overdone at this point but I don't really see how else they could have done it other than getting his family to drag him off to a cabin in the woods with no TV, internet or phone for two weeks and he doesn't seem like the sort of guy who'd go for that type of holiday. They would have also needed to come up with a reason for him to be separated from the rest of his family.

MurderOfGoths · 29/10/2012 22:32

Even accepting that there may be editing which explains the movement of the water bottles, there is no way on earth they were using hidden cameras and that Steve was unaware he was being filmed.

LittleDunnock · 29/10/2012 22:53

@DerrenBrown: For those who still think that Steven is an actor in a noodle ad, I filmed this... t.co/5Hdr8zCI