who was the idiot who said that size12/14 was 'chubby'?

[mrsfuzzy]

spitting feathers over an article i read yesterday in the newspaper about this subject. it's common knowledge that the average size is 16 and over in this country so how would that make a lot of women feel? does it really matter what your size? also why the emphasis on women why not men? many of them carry weight, noone seems to say anything about it. we all come in various shapes, sizes and colours and everyone is unique and beautiful in their own way be it inside or out. media should stop giving us these so called ideals and let us decide for ourselves how we wish to look.

health conscious? Anyone would think you were addressing very obese people, not women who are a bloody size 12! Size 12! In no world, in no place, on no body, except that of someone under five foot perhaps, would a size 12 be fat! Unless you have body dysmorphia

Well, this thread has descended... And where is the OP?

I'm 5'9" and a comfortable size 12; size 10 on a very good day. I'm slim in clothes and in the ideal BMI range, but can still pinch an inch in various places. At a size 16 I'd be heavy and chunky, even at my height. As so many have said, just because it's an average size, doesn't suddenly make it not overweight.

DH has a big, solid, rugby-player build so I'm not sizest - but like Geegee and Bunbaker - I do not find chubby nor overweight men attractive. I'm sorry, but I don't - and it's not something I can help.

Seems to me that autumnlights is the only one making offensive and personal comments on here, while accusing the rest of us of being vile .

Yes Perry but since when should the fear of being seen as a 'humble bragger' close down conversations and stifle people from debate on a chat forum?

Weight and health should not be a taboo subject imo

No-one is kicking fluffy kittens to death....they're simply talking about their size and weight.

When I was a size 12, back in the day, my friend said I looked so thin I looked like a baby bird.

It's not chubby.

I don't know when I am hungry or when I am full, I was taught to ignore those feelings, I do not know how to recognise them and no one has ever been able to tell me what those sensations feel like. I only recognise extremes, dizziness, weakness = hungry uncomfortable pain = full.
I manage food intake by looking and thinking ''is what I have on my plate a portion'

I am trying to educate myself and understand what my body is telling me but it is difficult.

autumn - was that comment aimed at me??? Did you actually read the thread?

My point was that size 12 means nothing... Some people at size 12 will be fat. Some people at size 12 will be a healthy size. Some (taller) people at size 12 will be underweight. I referred to health-conscious because that's the only thing that should matter - whether you are a healthy weight / size for your frame. Clearer?

Autumnlights12 - I'm not under 5' and I'm a size 12 and I'm fat. I'm a double degree educated woman and I'm perfectly capable of looking in the mirror and being honest with myself. My waist hip ratio is unhealthy, I have a high body fat %, I am very flabby and podgy, and everything wobbles when I walk. I am not (yet) healthy because I don't do nearly enough cardio or resistance exercise. So you're talking bullshit.

There should not be a table of what everyone's correct weight should be according to their height. That is misleading and wrong. It does depend on the individual "frame", health, and genes. Muscle weighs more than fat, and even more than flabby fat. As we age, we cannot still look and feel like a 20 year-old. I was horrified when a mother told me that her GP said her 12 year-old son was OBESE as he was 1lb over what the "table" states he should be. She had been angry with GP, and his reply was that the powers that be had ordered these shock tactics to prevent children eating too much/ fatty/salty foods etc. and assume applies to adults too.

I am much older and still am very slim, and people have told me I look so fit - in the medical sense. But I am not and have lots of health problems.
I know women who feel they are overweight, but they are much fitter, energetic and stronger than I am. It is not the BMI that is important but the firmness of flesh and strength of muscles that is.

And the state of health especially with adults to consider.

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unbelievable thread, feels like entering a scary parallel universe full of body dysmorphics

As everyone else has said, totally depends on height.

5 foot nothing, yeah chubby at 12.

5 foot 9 and a 12 is thin.

I'm tall and it always pisses me off when short friends are like "you're not a size 12, no way, you're much too thin! You must be an 8 or a 10" argh no you idiots, I might be thin but happen to have a rib cage and hips in proportion to my height!!!

I don't think its only to do with your bones that dictates your shape. I think how much muscle you carry and how easily you build muscle has an effect as well. I'm a muscly little person, and if I put on weight, it sort of goes on over the muscle and just makes me look very powerful and sort of masculine. Its not a good look. Whereas at a size 8 I just look more "right" in my own skin. Sadly, I never look skinny and can't get lower than a size 8 because I have too good an appetite.

I didn't think that my father's early death from heart disease (and indeed both paternal grandparents) had that much effect on me, but maybe it did.

Diet has such an effect on people. Not just on their weight, but on their teeth, and their skin and even their hair. Its not all about looks, these things really affect how your body works and how you will age. For instance, if you eat a high sugar diet and suffer tooth loss as a result from decay, and don't get implants to replace those teeth, you will suffer bone loss which will affect the shape of your face. Very drastically indeed. You need healthy teeth to prevent your face caving in.

you can wear a size 10 but still have belly fat or generally not be lean but carry a lot of flab - thighs, arms etc so you might well say "I'm chubby". I think personally 10-12 is ok for most women. They will look fine dressed so long as the clothes fit properly, same probably applies to size 14. How healthy you look in a bikini is often another story unfortunately. Beyond size 14, it is not easy to not look overweight. I would certainly be quite fat if I wore 16. I am 5"4 and I'd be starting to look like a barrel at that point. I don't have a wide frame.

The fat you really have to worry about, so I have read, is the fat around your midriff. That's the fat you really have to try and get rid of. If you have a fat bum or thighs, that fat is not doing you any real harm. So it depends what shape you are how much of a problem feeling a bit chubby is.If I put it on, I put it on in the middle where it is a real health risk

autumnlights. Its pretty clear to me that you have a chip on your shoulder about this issue.

I don't like it when i put on weight because i know its unhealthy and my clothes feeling tight are a reminder of that. Its not entirely to do with vanity (i personally don't like it when my stomach hangs over my jeans or sticks out further than my breasts) but also to do with being aware that Im at higher risk of breast cancer when Im larger, as advised by the royal marsden. Im also aware that being larger could contribute to not being here long enough to raise my children. Personally i thinks its intertwined. I feel unattractive and uncomfortable being larger because being larger could mean i don't live as long.

How did I guess Worraliberty would be on this thread asserting that yes indeed a size 12 can be 'fat' (vile word) yet a size 6-10 couldnt possibly be scrawny (see what I did there?)

am now going to hide this thread before I throw something at my computer

I am 5'9".
I have been a 12-14 and thin. Bones poking out and everything.
I put on a little weight and was a 14-16 and chubby
I had DS1 and went up to a 16-18 and was fat
I had DS2 and was a 14-16, chubby, with a flobbly belly
6 months after DS2, I am a 14 (i'd guess that if I wasnt breastfeeding i'd be a 12-14, as my bum is usually bigger) i am untoned and have a flobbly belly, but I am not chubby. I weigh less than when I was a thin 12-14.

health conscious? Anyone would think you were addressing very obese people, not women who are a bloody size 12! Size 12! In no world, in no place, on no body, except that of someone under five foot perhaps, would a size 12 be fat! Unless you have body dysmorphia

So tell that to a 5ft 1" person who is size 12 and due to the fat clinging to their midrift/internal organs they suffer from diabetes or kidney/liver related illnesses.

It seems you are the shallow one on this thread Autumn because to you, it's all about looks isn't it?

If someone doesn't look fat to you, there couldn't possibly be a health issue could there?

geegee - I certainly didn't tell you to "suppress your thoughts to please men"

"We share the same interests in sport and keeping active and staying fit and he shares my views"

I said OLD AGE, which kicks in regardless of your shared interest in sports. There will come a time, not that far in the future (considering that you are almost 40) when your DH won't have the body of a Greek God anymore. You should prepare yourself for that eventuality. That is all I said.

"As I lost weight, the knee injury eased off."

If you have never heard of "Correlation is not causation", you should look it up now. Understanding this basic principle will greatly help in life.

Oh, as am aside - of the uk average size is 16 that is too high an average as there are very few people who have the build to make that 'not fat'.

I have never in my adult life, nor any time I can remember as a teenager, been a size 10.

Something needs to be done about this obesity epidemic and I cannot understand why you have come on here telling people that they are vile for wanting to be a healthy size.

My guess is that its because she is unhappy with her own weight but doesn't want to admit it so tries very hard to think that other people who don't like being larger have issues.

Creamoftomatosoup- But that is obviously your body type and height. You cannot possibly extrapolate that to everyone.

you are all fat biffers

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"unbelievable thread, feels like entering a scary parallel universe full of body dysmorphics "

I certainly haven't had that impression from this thread.

Most of the postss on this topic relate to health issues related to size not looks.