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to think David Cameron has done a wonderful job?

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toweraboveyou · 24/10/2012 14:58

Dave Cameron is on a crusade to get everybody off benefits and into work, even those he thinks are probably lying about their disabilities. Therefore, he has obviously created enough jobs for everybody. Otherwise, he'd just be a fuckwit, right?

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londonone · 24/10/2012 15:57

They aren't responsible for creating jobs, they may well be responsible for lowering living standards of benefits claimants. You ay consider that to be homelessness and starvation, I don consider that to be the case.

DuelingFanjo · 24/10/2012 16:00

Of course pensioners should be looking fter the very old. They should be doing this at the same time as looking after their grandchildren and hugging hoodies.

toweraboveyou · 24/10/2012 16:01

If you cannot find a job because one of the other 65 applicants has beaten you to it and you are no longer entitled to any benefit, surely it will lead to those things?

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Viviennemary · 24/10/2012 16:02

He certainly hasn't been there and got the T-shirt. So I can't take him too seriously I'm afraid. But then neither has David Milliband. He's even worse.

BeardofZeus · 24/10/2012 16:03

He's a cock

BeyondLimitsOfTheLivingDead · 24/10/2012 16:05

Lucky his brother got the job then Wink

TunipTheVegemal · 24/10/2012 16:07

But Miliband knows all about growing up in the mean streets of Primrose Hill. He even went to a comprehensive Shock

mignonette · 24/10/2012 16:10

Scameron, Shameron, Ham Faced Cameron;
Gideon Oddbod;
Horrid Johnson.

All Cuntservatives to me...........................

perfectstorm · 24/10/2012 16:11

They aren't responsible for creating jobs, they may well be responsible for lowering living standards of benefits claimants. You ay consider that to be homelessness and starvation, I don consider that to be the case.

If benefits are calculated at subsistence levels and housing benefit calibrated below most rents, how can you think cuts will work? How can people eat properly, heat and light their homes, and pay rent, when the money is too low to make that possible? Honestly: how much money do you think people on income support actually get to live on? Where is the room for cuts? And bear in mind that most landlords won't accept tenants on housing benefit, because insurers tend to refuse to provide cover for them. If you cut housing allowance available in that situation then you also narrow the already small pool of available housing enormously, and mean many people will be evicted from homes they can no longer afford (and if they go voluntarily, they'll be deemed to have made themselves voluntarily homeless, so the council will have no obligation to help. Nice for the landlords in question). How can that do anything but increase homelessness?

Very, very few people actively choose to be poor - it's not pleasant! And cuts on working tax credits and child tax credits mean you are hitting employed people as well as employed, I may add - loads of claimants of housing benefit ("local housing allowance") especially in London work! Those are people on very low incomes, who are busting their guts to provide for their families already. What, you think Cameron will increase the minimum wage enough to make up the shortfall? Cut taxes for poor working people? How is the gap to be filled, if you think benefit cuts so acceptable? And how are people to avoid homelessness if they aren't paid enough or subsidised enough to live?

I have to ask: have you ever been properly poor? Lived on benefits, in a place you can only afford with housing benefit, without family in a position to help out, and provide extra funds when things go tits up? For more than a year or so? I'm bloody lucky, in that that's not been my adult experience. It was my childhood one. It was shit. And the idea of applying additional pressure to people in that situation, in a terrible jobs market... it's morally indefensible, IMO.

Alisvolatpropiis · 24/10/2012 16:11

perfectstorm I didn't realise it had actually come in! It was still only being proposed when I was studying emp law!

Small businesses have been known (obviously not all of them) to play fast and loose with employment law at the best of times. It is of great comfort to know that even if I were to return to the field I was working in they are just going to be keeping people on for 23 months and then sacking them fuck.

This govn is Neo-Liberal and is going to happily usher in a return to the Victorian era of workers rights.

mignonette · 24/10/2012 16:17

PerfectStorm

For your eloquent post Thanks

toweraboveyou · 24/10/2012 16:20

I dislike perfectstorm. She makes all my points in a way I never could. [hwink]

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londonone · 24/10/2012 16:24

Perfec storm - given tha HB was calculated at a median rent and is now going to the 30th centile it hardly smacks of homelessness. Maybe people will have to live in smaller more cramped accommodation, people live way way way beyond their means thanks to benefits incl tax credits. They are now going to find out what hey can actually afford and many won't like it.

londonone · 24/10/2012 16:27

Still think Cameron is a tit though.

Sallyingforth · 24/10/2012 16:29

The way the Tories are going terrifies me... because if they lose the election we'll have the Millipedes in power. No-one deserves that.

Absy · 24/10/2012 16:38

Seriously, the next election will be a choice between the devil and the deep blue sea. Maybe start a campaign to spoil votes and then no one will win?

LittleWhiteWolf · 24/10/2012 16:51

DC is SO wonderful that they are changing the lyrics of God Save the Queen to God Save 'Call Me Dave'.

Darkesteyes · 24/10/2012 16:54

He is a tit!but what the hell makes you think he should be providing jobs for everyone. That is up to you, me and the rest of the population, clearly the idea of the population relating jobs and opportunities is rather shocking for some of you

Well well well. You said it yourself. That the population should be creating jobs and oppurtunities. And its not Camerons job to create jobs.
Well its not his job to create workFARE then either. You cant have it both ways!

Fakebook · 24/10/2012 16:54

Yes he's done a brilliant job, if his job is being a brainless buffoon. He's got two thumbs up from me.

JuliaScurr · 24/10/2012 16:55

londonone housing benefit is calculated including social housing, thus lowering the 30th centile mark at which level the only thing charging rent that low is social housing - which is unavailable Sad

Darkesteyes · 24/10/2012 16:55

That last response was to londonone. the first 2 lines are copied and pasted from what they wrote.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 24/10/2012 16:57

Surely DC is the second coming? How else can you explain all the disabled people he has cured...

JuliaScurr · 24/10/2012 17:00

tories - cuts
libdems - ditto
labour -slow cuts
greens - no cuts until elected (see Brighton)
ukip - ?
snp/pc - less cuts
tusc/respect/slp etc - no cuts

Darkesteyes · 24/10/2012 17:08

Yes londonone people are expecting far far too much to actually have their bedroom and living room each in a seperate room.

BookFairy · 24/10/2012 17:13

Yes I think it's great that as a 27 year old graduate I have to live with my parents and work 15 hours per week in an unskilled job. Bloody marvellous! Never mind the fact that I can't claim WTC to help boost my low income as I'm working too few hours and earning too little money Hmm