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to think David Cameron has done a wonderful job?

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toweraboveyou · 24/10/2012 14:58

Dave Cameron is on a crusade to get everybody off benefits and into work, even those he thinks are probably lying about their disabilities. Therefore, he has obviously created enough jobs for everybody. Otherwise, he'd just be a fuckwit, right?

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Rollmops · 24/10/2012 15:35

Absy, and your point is? Yes, he has made something of himself and is trying to get this country out of hole that dear Leader Labour got it into.
Anyhow, not looking for a fight so shall bid goodbye.

Pip pip

Alisvolatpropiis · 24/10/2012 15:35

OP are you SamCam?!

corlan · 24/10/2012 15:35

I nearly choked on my cornflakes this morning when I heard on the news that pensioners are going to be asked to 'work' for their state pension. There are precious few jobs for the young, where are the pensioners supposed to find jobs?

nickeldaisical · 24/10/2012 15:35
nickeldaisical · 24/10/2012 15:37

oh, yes, fab idea to make pensioners work - so now, along with everybody else who is already qualified to do a job coming in rather than training our own young people, the people who've worked hard all their lives should be still working.

oh, but those that can't get paid work (of any age) can volunteer for tesco's.

nickeldaisical · 24/10/2012 15:38

Rollmops not joking.
londonone is in on the thread.

toweraboveyou · 24/10/2012 15:38

I dislike London and mops. It isn't personal.

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Absy · 24/10/2012 15:38

I am saying that he's a privileged wanker who has no real drive and no fucking idea what the average person goes through. and this is reflected in his policies, so I don't really see him and his government managing to get the UK out of the economic hole it is in right now. And that's not just me - the IMF and World Bank have also criticised the government's economic policies and keep on having to revise UK growth downward. They've been in power for over two years, and managed to bring the UK into a double dip recession. they're past the point now where they can blame anyone but themselves.

TunipTheVegemal · 24/10/2012 15:39

I voted Conservative in the last election. Would anyone like to throw rotten tomatoes at me?

showtunesgirl · 24/10/2012 15:42

Ooh, I have fresh green organic tomatoes if anyone wants to use those? [grin}

BeyondLimitsOfTheLivingDead · 24/10/2012 15:42

Actually, as someone who worked in mcdonalds for five years, they arent always hiring, and dont take everyone that applies. And most of the workers are part time.
I worked in a busy city branch (branch? That doesnt sound right) in the early 00s. That had about 30 staff, approx 10 full time and 20 part time and did not need any more. Again, this is pre recession, it cant possibly be any busier now. My city now resembles a ghost town, there are no shops for people to be shopping in, to have their lunch in mcds.

Alisvolatpropiis · 24/10/2012 15:42

I knew you were joking btw OP :)

I can't decide who I despise more Blair/Brown for utterly fucking up the economy and introducing university tutition fees or Cameron/Clegg for picking up the ball and running with it. Elitist wankers.

Utter fuckwits.

It is great having done a "proper" degree . Small employers in the field keep you on for 11 months and sack you (no employment right until 12 months) and then not being able to get any job,any kind of job at all. Fucking fabulous.

expatinscotland · 24/10/2012 15:44

Definitely, YANBU.

toweraboveyou · 24/10/2012 15:44

Blair and Brown didn't fuck up the economy. It was a global recession.

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toweraboveyou · 24/10/2012 15:45

What's the difference between electricity and government? In electricity, DC is current....

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perfectstorm · 24/10/2012 15:46

but what the hell makes you think he should be providing jobs for everyone. That is up to you, me and the rest of the population, clearly the idea of the population relating jobs and opportunities is rather shocking for some of you

OP didn't say it was his responsibility per se. She said it was his responsibility if he thinks everyone should get off benefits, and is providing endless rhetoric on how those on benefits are happy to be there and are playing the system. If he can't provide the work, how can he use that rhetoric? There are hundreds of thousands of jobs... and millions of unemployed. The comment was made in that context, so citing the suggestion out of it is pointless. Context is fairly important in most things, no? You aren't representing the OP's words fairly there.

Having said that, plenty of Keynsian economists argue that Roosevelt managed to haul the US (and thus arguably the world) out of the Great Depression partly through instituting massive programmes of public works (the "New Deal"), thus creating jobs and getting the economy moving again. So it's not the case that the government definitely shouldn't job-create, as you vehemently aver. Not an economist myself, but I know a couple who say there is a strong argument for that option (not that it's the only argument, or that the opposing are weak, but that it's a strong one). That being so, the "why the hell" can be answered, "because we're economically in very deep shit, there are no concrete answers as to what to do, and a lot of economists think that would be the best route forwards."

They also say tax breaks for the rich are economically worthless in hard times - those lower down the ladder have so little stretch in their budgets that they're far likelier to spend any cuts they may get, so cutting tax on the lowest 3rd of workers can be an effective stimulus, while cutting higher up just means they will save more. If you want more money circulating in the economy in a recession, tax the rich more and the poor less (though that is arguably not the case in times of economic growth, speaking purely economically). So the 50% tax rate should remain in situ and the 10% rate reinstated, in essence.

It also makes my eyebrows rise when monetarists (and some journalists) insist quantitative easing will inevitably mean uncontrollable hyper-inflation, and is thus an unwarranted interference with the free markets that can only end catastrophically badly. Whatever your views on it as a tool, it at least has the built-in deflationary remedy to address that - they aren't actually printing paper money, which cannot be recalled once in circulation. It's all electronic; it can be immediately recalled, via selling the UK-based assets the BoE has bought with the created money and promptly deleting it.

OP, YANBU. Cameron seems worryingly incompetent as well as disturbingly unconcerned with how most of the country live.

Alisvolatpropiis · 24/10/2012 15:46

tower of course neither of them regulating the banks has nothing to do with it then,nothing at all.

TunipTheVegemal · 24/10/2012 15:46

They made some stupid economic decisions. Selling off the gold reserves and allowing the credit bubble to inflate with no attempts to slow it down, for instance.
And now Osborne and making Cameron are making stupid decisions which will deepen the recession. Win win!

NerdAmigo · 24/10/2012 15:49

He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy.

TheDeathAndGlories · 24/10/2012 15:50

I just can't tunip
I voted lib dem Sad
I don't like labour either
It's very difficult to vote

Absy · 24/10/2012 15:51

True story - number of investigations and regulatory censures announced by the FSA in c. 2005 to 2007 - 0

londonone · 24/10/2012 15:51

Oh ok tower, I gave you the benefit of the doubt, turns out you are also a bit of a tit!

toweraboveyou · 24/10/2012 15:52

By the way, If the government are saying that you are not allowed to be unemployed and that if you are unfortunate enough to be without orlnthen you should not receive benefits, then they ARE responsible for the creation of new jobs. If not, they are responsible for poverty, homelessness and starvation.

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perfectstorm · 24/10/2012 15:52

Alisvolatpropiis this government have changed the law - your protection against unfair dismissal no longer kicks in at 12 months, but 24. Really good to know that in times of massive economic hardship, the government's early priority was to strip people of some of their employment rights.

toweraboveyou · 24/10/2012 15:53

Perfectstorm, I agree with you entirely except for the 'she' part. [hgrin]

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