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to not understand how peiple afford to live?

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pregnantpause · 22/10/2012 13:04

I'm so fed up ATM. Me and dh work, me part time, as young dc, we live in a very cheap area if the country (and I suppose our wages reflect that), jointly we bring home under 26 thousand pa). We get 40 a month tax credits, which doesn't seem much, and I've just got a letter to say they've over paid us by 200 in the last year. HOW? Forty quid a month, and that's overpaid? How do people survive? Paying that back will take us into overdraft ans furture payments will now be around twenty quid less? Are we the scroungers everyone talks about? Am I the lazy feclkless parent that won't get a full time .job and sponges off the state? I can't go full time, my employer has no hours to give. Dh can't get a better paid job- there are none. With energy bills going up and food costing the earth how do people live. I seriously worry that people with even a little bit less than me will be pushed over the edge, old people, disabled people, how can people afford to survive now? Aibu to think that it won't be long (or already happening) before people are made homeless, just because the cost I'd living is so far apart from what we earn?

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freetoanyhome · 23/10/2012 21:21

no, he is a scientist. He couldnt get a place on a PGCE course. Maybe he should investigate these private schools that dont require qualifications. But what a waste of a researcher. I've told him to go to the States. Defence research is valued there.

londonone · 23/10/2012 21:22

Currently 50 vacancies for science teachers on TES website 80 for maths and this ant even a time of year when schools recruit

londonone · 23/10/2012 21:23

Maybe he should looking into training whilst he works.

VintageRainBoots · 23/10/2012 21:53

freetoanyhome: I'm from the US, and I know many people in both Europe and the US in your same shoes. In fact, our family is the process of relocating from the US to the UK. My husband is a scientist, too. He was offered a position near London. It doesn't pay as well as his US job, but it has better job security, which is why he accepted the position.

I've heard that Germany is hiring physicists. From what I recall, they're expanding the Max Planck research institutes. They're hoping to reverse some of the "brain drain" that occurred after WWII.

Finally, the amount that the US is going to spend on Defence may very well depend on who is elected president next month. Romney wants to increase military spending, and Obama wants to cut some military spending. The current Congress is heavily Republic right now, so if Romney wins the election, it's likely that the next couple years or so good be good for military funding.

Best of luck to your family!

VintageRainBoots · 23/10/2012 21:54

"Currently 50 vacancies for science teachers on TES website 80 for maths and this ant even a time of year when schools recruit."

London, how many people are applying for these positions? It's not uncommon for each position to receive hundreds of CVs from qualified applicants. Just because there are some jobs doesn't mean there are enough jobs for everyone.

londonone · 23/10/2012 21:56

Vintage science and maths jobs frequently have to be readvertised due to lack of suitable applicants!

VintageRainBoots · 23/10/2012 21:58

^citation, please.

QueenofWhatever · 23/10/2012 22:06

But it's the same argument as people who feel entitled to get what they want on the NHS. But I've paid my stamp... No, healthcare is/should be based on clinical need not what you've paid in. Same with benefits in my view.

If I suddenly developed a disability which meant I couldn't work I should get benefits for as long as I need. I should not get CTC because I want to be a SAHM but couldn't afford it otherwise.

OneLittleToddlingTerror · 23/10/2012 22:06

vintage I know of one qualified maths teacher with a master degree in maths from a Russell Group university now teaching reception kids. She couldn't find another position teaching maths and she was willing to commute. She left her previous position because of school management and also it's a very tough school. I guess it is her choice to leave, but maybe there are reasons those jobs are unfilled.

Also know another postdoc who is still trying to get a teaching position at tertiary. Currently still working on contracts that pay per hour. It doesn't even cover childcare because of the ad hoc hours. She has to pay her childminder even for hours she isn't working.

KatyPeril · 23/10/2012 22:07

I don't fully pay water bills.

KrispyCakehead · 23/10/2012 22:13

I wonder the same OP. All around me people seem to go on regular holidaya.. drive nice cars... Be able to let their kids go on £1400 school ski trips... But we work all the hours we can...both full time in pretty decent jobs.. DP is in a professional position.. I'm an administrator.. Not entitled to any tax credits as just over the threshold (although still paying back a nonsensical overpayment from years ago)... And can't even afford a weekend away... Hell.. can't even afford Christmas!!

And we don't live at all extravagantly.. hardly ever even eat out!

OneLittleToddlingTerror · 23/10/2012 22:17

krispy I think it's the amount you pay in mortgage repayments that makes the difference. I assume you aren't renting given the professional jobs. Those who got on the housing ladder 10 years or more ago pay a ridiculously small amount in housing.

KrispyCakehead · 23/10/2012 22:20

Yes we're rent a local authority house...

londonone · 23/10/2012 22:39

Vintage it's a field I work in, hence my knowledge. Same as your knowledge with regard to your field. Do feel free to back all your points with citations, I feel no need to do so. I have no need for you to agree with me

MrsDeVere · 23/10/2012 22:44

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londonone · 23/10/2012 22:47

How many layers of management do you have above the front line staff? How many departments dealing solely with change management etc and various other non jobs? Because where I work we are short on frontline staff and long on management and people who no one can work out what they really do.

MrsDeVere · 23/10/2012 22:49

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domesticgodless · 23/10/2012 22:49

Now bloated management in every sector is definitely a curse. Yet as the managers got control somewhere around the 80s :) they never sack eachother it seems... Just the people doing the actual work.

domesticgodless · 23/10/2012 22:50

Ah mrsdevere it sounds as if in your field it's not the case. Increasingly it's the case in higher education and our managers never get sacked.

londonone · 23/10/2012 22:50

Yep they got rid of the useful managers, but I bet they kept the more senior ones who don't actually have any particular skilled background and simply prefer to endlessly restructure the organisation.

londonone · 23/10/2012 22:51

Domestic you are spot on with that

domesticgodless · 23/10/2012 22:51

Londonone... Absolutely. A curse in all sectors .

londonone · 23/10/2012 22:54

I think that might be the only thing we agree on!

domesticgodless · 23/10/2012 22:55

Well it's a start. Hehe

Darkesteyes · 23/10/2012 23:15

Thing is if you make workfare the same as community service which is one of the punishments for breaking the law then the punishment for being unemployed and the punishment for domestic violence (justin lee collins) springs to mind then the punishments for two completely different groups of people become indistinguiashable from each other.