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That this is awful for the poor dog...

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Softlysoftly · 13/10/2012 08:04

....link but I don't feel 1 ounce of sympathy for the feckless owner?

[NOTE FROM MNHQ: we've been asked to warn people that the photo in the linked article may be upsetting for some.]

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DameFannyGallopsAtaGhost · 13/10/2012 14:37

Well the one that mentioned the hip injury was the one which seemed to be angled as attack on defenceless dog by knife nutter, whereas the other 2 seemed more balanced.

SauvignonBlanche · 13/10/2012 14:40

It sounds to me as if Hampstead and Belsize Park have gone terribly downmarket, that sort of thing would never have happened when I lived there!

D0oinMeCleanin · 13/10/2012 14:42

None of the articles seem balanced. One is sympathetic to the owner whose dog was killed, two are sympathetic to the other dog owner.

All of the articles state that the man left the scene and returned with at least two, 10 inch knives and repeatedly stabbed the dog. All of the articles state that at some point during the attack the dog being stabbed was in it's owners arms and they were trying to get away, while the man continued stabbing, presumably with no thought for the safety of the woman who was holding the dog.

That in itself says enough. And since when have the tabloids catogrised the SBT as a "small terrier"? Hmm

WofflingOn · 13/10/2012 14:42

The man was released without charge, so at the moment the police obviously feel that what happened was justified.

ProphetOfDoom · 13/10/2012 14:44

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D0oinMeCleanin · 13/10/2012 14:45

He hasn't been charged yet, he was released on police bail, while they investigate. All of the articles state that he might be charge with criminal damage which is the worst offence they can charge him with, since dogs are classed as property and therefore cannot be murdered. If the women was injured I sincerely hope she presses charges against him.

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WofflingOn · 13/10/2012 14:53

Have to wait a while for the facts then, rather than the hysteria of first wave responses.

Boomerwang · 13/10/2012 14:56

It's a horrible situation all round, but yeah I'd do whatever it took to protect my dog.

I saw an American police officer just shoot a dog straight in the face because a guy said it had attacked his dog. From the movie, I could see he was telling the truth, but the police officer didn't arrive until later on and he didn't even ask questions, just shot it as it moved towards him.

I guess they're fed up with out of control dogs too.

atacareercrossroads · 13/10/2012 14:56

A lot of criminals are initially released wihtout charge.

i hope he is charged, might make him think twice before he loses his cool next time. And next time it might be another human who gets his two knives stuck in them 23 times.

Boomerwang · 13/10/2012 14:56

oops I missed the part where I should have said it was a movie on youtube, not real life.

xkittyx · 13/10/2012 14:57

Horrible, distressing incident all round. I hope that the police get to the bottom of whatever happened. Poor poor dog Sad

D0oinMeCleanin · 13/10/2012 15:00

Boomerwang would you continue to attack a dog who was subdued in it's owner's arms and attempting to move away from you? All three articles agree that at some point during the stabbing the woman was holding the dog and trying to move away, she cannot be trying to get away and still pose a threat, the two behaviours are incompatible.

atacareercrossroads · 13/10/2012 15:05

There has been hysteria on both sides.

But tbh if I am labelled as hysterical for being a bit concerned that a man who disappeared from his 'dying' dog to gather his knives up, return and stab an animal 23 times whilst its being held by its owner who also, allegedly, was injured, who clearly has massive, dangerous temper issues, might get off scot free, with a pat on the back even, then fair enough. Hysterical I am.

GhostShip · 13/10/2012 15:06

If the dog was backing off and scared how could anyone carry on? :(

atacareercrossroads · 13/10/2012 15:08

I honestly feel that the man got caught up in it all, in a frenzied attack and just couldnt stop stabbing that poor dog.

Jesus the more I think about it the more chilling it is. If I knew him I think Id be giving him a very wide berth from now on.

D0oinMeCleanin · 13/10/2012 15:13

I think it is more chilling than that, crossroads, he left the scene and returned with knives, plural, as in more than one. Fecking big knives also, which shows he thought about what to get from the kitchen rather than just grabbing the first thing available to him. He could have fetched a jug of cold water or two pans to bang together. Instead he chose to attack the dog with several deadly weapons.

This was not a case of someone using the first thing available to them to defend their dog, he meant to cause the other dog fatal injury and it seems he did so with no thought for the safety of the person holding the dog.

I agree with poster who says she would be worried if this man was to remain on the streets among the general public.

atacareercrossroads · 13/10/2012 15:19

Oh yes Dooin, the fact that he left his supposedly dying dog (wild animals couldnt drag me away from my dog if she was being attacked in the way described) to gather up his kniveS is really fucking scary.

Does make me wonder what will happen if a human pisses him off. Very worrying indeed.

WofflingOn · 13/10/2012 15:25

You now think that the bloke in question might be a knife-obsessed homicidal maniac, stalking the streets and willing to attack anyone who annoys him?
Dog owners, a strange group with odd priorities and perceptions.
From other reports, his local community might throw him a party.

D0oinMeCleanin · 13/10/2012 15:30

I think he has a violent temper, yes and he reacts to stressful situations with over the top behavior.

Had he ran into the kitchen and the first thing he grabbed happened to be a knife, which he then used on the dog until it stopped the attack (although at this point it is not clear whether the other dog was still attacking when he returned) then I might have a smidge of sympathy for him, although I would still question why he left his dog who was close to certain death, if he is to be believed.

He did not grab one knife, he grabbed several knives and continued his attack even after the dog no longer posed a threat. To me that is a person who lost control in a pretty serious way.

atacareercrossroads · 13/10/2012 15:37

Woffling, no, I think he has got a volitile temper and clearly doesnt know when to stop. To be fair as long as another human doesnt piss him off when he is close to his home where he can select his few knives then hopefully they will be ok.

Odd priorities? For thinking someone who left their dog to gather up a number of knives and carried on stabbing an animal 23 times after the incident had ended has issues? Wow Sad

atacareercrossroads · 13/10/2012 15:40

and on the Star (?) pic his dog looks pretty well considering it apparently had its head in the bulldogs jaws and was so close to being killed the only thing that woudl stop it was to stab the other dog umpteen times Hmm

And its obvious that pic was taken after the event, what with the dogs trust face/sad human face an all

Birdsgottafly · 13/10/2012 15:42

I am a long term dog owmer as i said of GS's.

If i was on my doorstep and a dog such as that breed came at mine, my reaction would be to leave the scene and get a weapon, as i said, either way you have a dead dog and i wouldn't want it to be mine that was being walked on a lead and not the vicious out of control one, allowed to roam.

You need more than one weapon to stop a dog like that one.

I live in a high violent crime area, i know exactly what i would grap if anyone in my household was under threat, it doesn't make me dangerous.

If lads walk towards me,i put a key between my fingers, you have to know how to protect yourself if you live on some estates.

Birdsgottafly · 13/10/2012 15:44

"his dog looks pretty well considering it apparently had its head in the bulldogs jaws"

So all his witnesses are lying?

Perhaps you should contact the police, if you believe a miscarriage of justice has been allowed to happen.

atacareercrossroads · 13/10/2012 15:49

Birds, I hear what you are saying, but to me there is a difference between protecting yourself when you have to (I live in an area that is regularly on the national news for its gangs and violence, I dont go out at night its that bad) and carrying with the attack when its no longer necessary.

I doubt you'd carry on stabbing a dog that clearly no longer poses a threat.

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