That this is awful for the poor dog...

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....link but I don't feel 1 ounce of sympathy for the feckless owner?

[NOTE FROM MNHQ: we've been asked to warn people that the photo in the linked article may be upsetting for some.]

Serves her right for not controlling her dog, I feel sorry for the man and his dog and her dog, if he hadn't have had an idiotic owner he wouldn't have died

He should be fucking prosecuted, he was out of control. He got the knives after the attack on his dog which shows he cannot control his anger.

I actually worry about some-one like him being on the loose, what happens when his kids comes home from school saying some-one has hit him? Is it ok for him to then go and kick the crap out of the other lad?

Yes the dog owner was a pain in the arse and the dog should have been took off her as she was incapable of looking after it properly but the dog did not deserve to be stabbed 23 times.

No he didn't - he got the knives DURING the attack to save his dog.

From the first article, he used the knives on the dog whilst it still had his little terrier in its jaws, Vodka.
He couldn't think of any other way, he's tried kicking and grabbing at it, and the owner was stroking her dog whilst it was killing.

My dog is a lovely dog around people. She is gentle with my children and very patient.

She is horrible to other dogs. She does not go out off the lead at all. When some of the lovely children around here knock on the door wanting to take her out, they are not allowed to as they would not be able to maintain adequate control.

This lady should have kept her dog under control. She should have been forced to do so before this happened. I feel very sorry for the dog, but feel that the woman should take responsibility.

My God this is just awful!! Not sure what to think really, It does completely depend on the order of events. Something doesn't sit right with me. He didn't just run in and grab one knife, he grabbed 5. Did he carry on stabbing the dog after it had released his dog and lay bleeding on the floor? Would the woman really have just come over and stroked her dog if the fight was still going on? I can see that she probably had an out of control dog that terrorised the neigbourhood and this guy was clearly at the end of his tether but I'm not sure if it was entirely self defence. Very sad story all round but yes, the female owner is the only one I struggle to feel for.

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Sorry for barging in - we've had a couple of reports asking us to add a warning to the OP, as the photo in the linked article is a bit distressing. So we've done that now.

Fight?
Small terrier and American Bulldog? More like stroking your dog whilst it is holding a chew toy.
We had a toddler torn apart a couple of years ago in Sussex, that was by an American Bulldog too, and none of the adults present were able to save her.

If the reports of this dog roaming around and previously attacking other dogs are correct and the owner wasn't within sight of this dog at all times whilst walking off lead, then there's no doubt she acted irresponsibly. However, many dog owners are stupid and misguided, I dont think any of them deserve to see the dog they own stabbed to death.

It does sound like the man involved was out of control. What sort of person would even think to get a knife, even if to protect their own dog, let alone several? Why stab the dog so many times? It seems that he carried on stabbing the dog after the attack had stopped, 32 times?! And it says in both reports the owner was cuddling the dog and trying to pretend to be dead while the stabbing was still going on, one mentions her hip was cut. It sounds like what he did went way beyond protecting his dog.

Oh sorry my first post I hadn't realised the protocol

My dog was attacked once. Running away from the scene and leaving my dog there did not occur to me. I chose to stand screaming "Off" instead. I hadn't a clue what to do, after seconds, but what seemed like ages my other dog intervened and chased the attacking dog off. I still didn't run away, I needed to ensure my dog was okay, I picked her up and ran to the vets. Stopping to see to the other dog was not my main priority.

I can't get my head around why he would leave the scene if his dog was still being attacked? Or why he would continue attacking the boxer after his own dog had been released, instead of attending to his dog.

It sounds like he's had a grudge against this dog for a while and saw his chance.

The owner of the boxer sounds irresponsible, but that was not her dogs fault, the community should have involved the police and DW if they genuinely thought this dog was likely to kill in the future.

Stabbing something 32 is not self defense imo, it is a frenzied attack.

Having seen an out of control staffie-type animal attack a small dog recently, I wouldn't be shocked to learn that it took 30 stabs to get the dog to let go. In the case I saw it took two adults nearly 7 mins of hitting, kicking, wrestling and strangling the dog before it dropped it's prey. It was like its jaws were superglued on to its victim. In fact the what ended it was one person repeatedly ramming his finger up the dog's backside to shock it into submission!

American bulldogs are large, extremely powerful working dogs that need proper training and socialisation. The fact the owner, who was initially nowhere to be seen, called it 'Tyson' tells you all you need to know doesn't it?

I have a very damaged rescue dog.

He is aggressive towards other dogs.

This means he is never, ever allowed off a lead.

He is never allowed to approach another dog in an agressive manner.

He is steered away from any conflict before it happens by us.

If you are a responsible dog owner, this is how you behave. If you know your dog is likely to behave in an aggressive manner, you are extremely careful about this. The idea that this dog was allowed to roam around unsupervised is just astonishing to me, and although I'm sure seeing your dog killed in this manner must be extremely distressing, I feel that the owner is entirely responsible for allowing the situation to develop.

If our dog ever attacked another dog the other dogs owner would be perfectly right to protect their dog by any means necessary.

WTF has the dogs name got to do with it?!

Perhaps she didn't name it anyway? We have a rescue dog who came with the name 'Buster'. He's dog aggressive and I get stated at when I walk him if he barks at other dogs. Obviously people are judging me by his name too...

I've had to stop some quite serious dog fights, stabbing them is not something that would enter a normal persons head, IMO, stabbing a dog with several knives definitely isn't.

Doesn't sound like the knife attack was that calculated. He had just stepped out of his front door so that was the obvious place to go to get some sort of weapon. And he had already tried shouting/kicking/hitting.

Also, this may be an urban myth, but I thought bulldogs didn't let go until they were dead. I can easily believe that the man just kept stabbing the bulldog until it let go.

I do feel sorry for the woman, she obviously loved her dog. But she should be banned from keeping them as she obviously can't care for them properly.

Very sad for the dog, stupid bloody owner.

Bull breeds were bred to not let go, once they're on,they're on and toning will make them let go.

The articles are confusing though...

Midori, I really sympathise with the staring....people give me this look as if to say 'what is wrong with YOU that your dog is barking like , what kind of dog owner are you'

Ha ha, not toning! I doubt hat would help! Meant to say nothing will make them let go!

Oh you know what I mean. Bloody iPhone.

barking like that^, sorry

He'd already tried pulling and kicking the dog off and when that didn't work he ran back in his house to get a knife. It's not nice but I can understand what he did.

An independent neighbour said the problem dog was allowed to roam about on its own off a lead frequently. And that it often attacked other dogs and once a child.

I am so against the harming of animals, but if one attacked mine and I couldn't get it off, I'd do what I could to get it off

This is why we should have dog licensing. It's fucking ridiculous tht any person can just go out and get a dog. In the wrong hands they can be so so dangerous.

I've posted about this incident before.

My friend had to stab a dog to death (as well as a German Shepherd joining in to defend his companion dog that was being attacked) after the dog (pit bull type) had killed his Lancashire Heeler (small dog).

He was left traumatised because he is a dog lover, but the dog was attacking everything in the park.

More and more people are carrying sticks and pen knives with them when walking their dogs in my area, because of these large 'bull' mix aggressive uncontrollable dogs.

Viva, he didn't run in and get a knife though, he got several. Both reports say the woman tried to pretend to be dead, as she thought he would leave 'them' (her and her dog) alone. It definitely sounds like he continued to attack the dog once it had let go.

Ghostship, I have lived in Northern Ireland where dog licensing is still in place. It does fuck all, I've never seen so many stray or irresponsibly kept dogs in my life!

Oh I didn't know about that. Oh dear :( we really do need something in place though to sort this out. It's getting worse