That this is awful for the poor dog...

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....link but I don't feel 1 ounce of sympathy for the feckless owner?

[NOTE FROM MNHQ: we've been asked to warn people that the photo in the linked article may be upsetting for some.]

Really?! Well I have seperated quite a few dog fights and generally once they let go you can get control of them and stop them attacking again, even without having to stab them oddly....

No, if I ever attack a person or a dog with a knife, I don't have the skill or expertise to know how to disable. I'd be trying to kill.

If he was near enough to his house to leave while his dog was being attacked, run back in and get knives, why not just pick his dog up and take it in the house and then call the police? Instead he chose to continue to stab the dog whilst it's owner held it.

midori, are you deliberately making things up or ddin't you read the articles?

Because as Tyson had his jaws locked around Monty's head, he'd have to separate them first before carrying his dog in to his home. Which is what he tried to do first, and failed.

This dog wasn't attacking another dog though, was it?

Yes it was and it wasn't on a lead, which was usual. The man reported that the dead dog clapmed his jaws around his dogs head as soon as he walked out of the house. He claimed that the owner done what she always did and ignored what was happening (she claims she played dead).

Another neighbour reported that the dog would go for any other dog and she once had to take her dog in and the dog that was killed kept charging at her front door, whilst the owner did nothing.

The owner used to threaten other people with the dog when the complained.

There must be good reason why he isn't being charged.

I agree that they shouldn't have to wait round until the dog killed another dog or person, that is what happened in the John Paul Massey case.

I read it as the woman was stroking the dog while it was attacking the other one in some misguided, rubbish attempt to get it to let go.

I suspect she is a batshit loon.

...she is a batshit loon

Those are the EXACT words I was looking for earlier. Couldn't agree more.

www.telegraph.co.uk ? News ? UK News ? Crime

In that report it states how the owner turned up 5 minutes later and did nothing.

I don't like the way that this is being described as a dog fight, it was an out of control dangerous dog attacking another dog being walked on a lead.

I have broken up dog fights, that is different than a 6 1/2 stone vicious dog clamping its jaws around another dog, unprovoked.

Woffling, dogs can't lock their jaws, it's a myth.

Birds, no one is debating that the woman was an idiot and a dreadfully irresponsible pet owner. However, she states her and the dog were trying to get away from the knives. Was her dog attacking the other one and trying to get away at the same time?

It seems odd that this dog is even still in the owners possession given the 'hundreds' of complaints made though, don't you think?

I would do anything to protect my dogs, but I'm fairly sure I don't have it in me to stab another dog 23 times with a ten inch knife, or any other knife. Hit it, kick it, yes, phone the police, yes, make a loud noise, yes. Stab it, I really doubt it.

Incidentally Birds, you can buy compressed air to seperate fighting dogs. It makes a fairly loud, hissing noise that most dogs don't like and aren't used to.

Locked as in fastened tightly around something. As in locking hands before jumping.
Locked as in quoting directly fron the original article.

Not pseudobabble about dog mythology which I have no interest in, along with 'Nanny dogs' and 'Trust completely with my own children' and ' Bless, he's only playing'

Birds, that same article calls it a 'revenge attack' and says the stabbing started after the 'fight'.

Several of the articles say the woman turned up 5 minutes after the attack started. Quite obviously the owner was negligent. That still doesn't warrant stabbing a dog to death after it had let go when there were other options available though.

It doesn't matter if 'Tysons' owner was a loon, she may well have been, that doesn't mean the other party can't be at fault too.

The dog needed putting down, little point in getting it vet attention and then keeping it in the dog shelter until it was PTS.

You don't know the adrenaline response that the man was having, people accendently kill other people in moments of high anxiety.

He says that he regrets the dogs death, but not his actions, which i think is correct. There wasn't another way, that dog would have killed his dog, either way a dog is dead.

At least a person isn't, or at least badly bitten.

Im not sure what to believe happened here tbh, but the bloke sounds completely unhinged to me, to bugger off and return with not one but TWO knives and stab it 23 times......sounds to me like he got caught up in his little 'revenge' attack and lost the plot. Makes me wonder what he'd do if he got into a fight with a person and get carried away.

It is strange how the dog wasnt took off the woman if it was such a menace. I suspect the people in the area just didnt like the thought of this big dog and are backing up the wanker bloke.

Very sad all round.

The dog had let go. The owner and her dog were "trying to get away" the owner was hurt during the attack.

Can you quote where it says that the dog had let go of its prey, before being attacked with a knife, DOoing?

'?We were just clinging together right up against the fence and trying to keep away from the knives,? she said.' can you explain how she can be huddled against a fence, holding he dog while it's jaws are still around another dogs head?

In the John Paul Massey case which happened not far from me, the police knew that it was dangerous and an illegal breed, but did nothing.

There have been complaints about local dogs in my area, but we usually have to wait until the owner goes to prison (usually drug.theft related), until the dog is off the streets, then it is put down, because it cannot be rehomed.

To deny this problem exists doesn't do anyone any good,least of all the dogs involved, the Bitches are used as breeding machines.

I'd prefer the official police version than the subjective comments of an irresponsible owner, and what ever I inferred from them.
Guess I'll have to wait.

The woman sounds like a fucking idiot. If any dog like that had its jaws around my dogs head I too would do anything I could to get it off. It's a shame that the dog is dead primarily due to the feckless ownership of its brain dead owner.

Yes and that is terrible Birds but it cannot be allowed to be an excuse for vigilantism and stabbing people's pets, if this is allowed to go unpunished how long before someone takes it upon themselves to murder a neighnour's dog for barking or jumping at the fence.

Continuing the stabbing after the dog had let go and was trying to get away, proves that this was not self defense, what was he defending himself against? The dog and owner were trying to get away, at that time they were not posing a threat to anyone. There was nothing left to defend against. The fact that the owner was also cut with knife shows to me that this man was out of control.

Id also be interested to see the police version, especially as in the article it says the dog wasnt on a lead when in the pic of the poor sod dying you can clearly see one, unless my eyes are deceiving me.

I hope the bloke does get a criminal record, going off, getting a number of knives and stabbing an animal 23 times, injuring the owner in the process, blimey hes got some temper issues and no mistake.

his dog Monty OTOH is making me chuckle, he looks throughly pissed off to be papped

In only one of the stories linked is there mention of the owner being injured. I'd suggest that if this were true there would have been much more made of it - rather than just the repetition of the owner's words.

I agree Dooin the man was totally out of control, stabbing a dog 23 times.......I hate to say it but my gut feeling is he enjoyed it after the first couple of stabs

Dame, I dunno, the articles read to me like they are trying to garner sympathy for the man so why would they also include that the nutter also injured the woman, especially as they omitted the fact that the mans dog was an SBT. usually the press salivate at the thought of rolling out a SBT-involved-in-violence story, and the cynic in me is saying that they havent mentioned it this time around because they know some idiots who believe the negative hype might say that the SBT must have provoked the other one cos thats what SBTs do innit