if you voted for the Tories, you should feel personally responsible when you see homeless people on the streets ...

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...once their policies start to bite.

They want to removing housing benefit for under 25s, many of whom have children. Just one of their policies which will drive people into homelessness.

I thought this was meant to be a civilised country. If the safety net is removed, many people including children will fall through it, some of them ending up on the streets.

How can anyone support that?

Sookie.

Because it was a fact with friends and people I had known over the years. That working isn't always the best option for everyone, and that by spouting off how good you are and how bad everybody else is that doesn't work, you may end up the same.
I wasn't implying it was a given, just an observation. (Not you personally, anybody with that attitude)

Peppermintlatte - rubbish, you make your own luck.

Indeed some are luckier than others and IMO its not the role of the state to even things up

Haven't read all the posts but what I will say is that, working with young people who are unemployed on a daily basis- giving benefits to 18-21 year olds who still live at home with their parents is a major reason why we can't get them to hold down a job. Why work when they get pocket money in the form of jsa and why would we give them hb when they can quite happily live with their parents in the majority of cases. Not wanting to and not being able to are very different things.

morethan so you know for a fact it was because both worked they split up?

and they would have split otherwise. For those that said it was work, you know 200% theyvwpuldbstill be together.

'Peppermintlatte - rubbish, you make your own luck.'

Wow, so my 8-year-old daughter fell ill with cancer and then died. Guess we could have just lucked our way out of that one.

I wouldn't worry about it, Peppermint - the people on this thread who are the hardest-working don't sound particularly happy to me.

expat I'm really sorry for your loss, but that's not down to bad luck. The loss of a child, as you will know better than I, is a completely different ball game from trying hard at school or saving up.

I can't imagine what you must have gone through.

wallison I couldn't actually be happier right now.

And snidey comments from people like you won't make me feel bad. I am happy at the moment. That's not rubbing it in anyones face. I am happy. I am entitled to be so, i have hit rock bottom and its not pure luck that i am no longer there. It took extreme amounts of hard work, but worth it.

Lots of people work hard and don't get anywhere. But i worked my ass off and won't apologise for it.

Nah, wallison, I'm quite happy with my little life, thanks, so don't be worrying. What's not to like?

Night all, I'm off to bed. . . .

Very sorry again expat. :(

Yeah the bizarre attitude that 'you make your own luck' is so astonishingly shortsighted. Yet people who are desperate to congratulate themselves for being all round amazing human beings fail to see that anyone can lose the lot and being 'brilliant' does nothing to stop that.

theroseofwait no, you don't/can't always make your own luck. you can try, and you can hope, but that's about it. you are very smug, and IMO very lucky. you are also very condescending. i don't agree with the majority of things you are saying, particularly regarding qualifications. you are on another planet as far as i'm concerned and appear to have no empathy towards people like myself who work hard and try hard. i'd love to see if you changed your tune slightly should you find that your luck runs out.

Expat that is awful. Truly sorry to hear about it.

That's a big assumption domestic

From what I can see people are prepared to lose their jobs etc, they have planned for it. Its something they have planned for for years in some cases. So they have never said it won't happen or bring 'brilliant' will stop it.

Yeah amazingly there were no homeless people under Labour but amazingly now ther are - T**t

In response to OP(not read tread as life is to short)

'expat I'm really sorry for your loss, but that's not down to bad luck. The loss of a child, as you will know better than I, is a completely different ball game from trying hard at school or saving up.

I can't imagine what you must have gone through.'

Is it? Some people go to shit schools and live in shit areas as children. There are schools in Edinburgh where 96% leave with less than 5 standard grades. Those children are stuck in such areas.

But they're all supposed to magic themselves out of situations because very few did otherwise they just didn't make their own luck?

Warren Buffet put it best, talking about many of the upper echelons of business he knew. He said, '99.999999% of them wouldn't be there if they'd been born to poor family in Bangladesh.'

Twaddle like, 'You make your own luck' is used to oppress and penalise billions of people the world over for having been born poor.

It's also a lazy, mean-spirited, spiteful way of thinking.

I suspect if therose's luck runs out she'll find someone else to blame. Anyone but herself.

Anyone else find all the protestations of perfection and happiness from these extremely angry and condemnatory people rather hollow?

I know 100% they were open about the main reason being

ships that passed in the night, tired and miserable with work, power struggles, division of labour, only time together they were mum and dad not x and x anymore. They all blamed both of them working and some said had they had time to step back and see what was happening things could have been sorted, but they escalated. etc.

FWIW if you read back through my threads I see both parents working to be detrimental to the family. This is only my opinion and I believe people should live how they seem fit.
I have a problem when people either assume things about others, or think they are superior. Or don't bother to look at the real issue, and have pre conceived ideas.

Expat is so right. Therose tries to wriggle her way out of her nasty generalisation by saying 'oh no, I didn't mean YOU'.

domestic imo the only person angry here is you. You keep ayong you are going, but coming back to dig and make shitty comments while banging on about other people making comments you don't like.

I am quite calm and relaxed thanks. Nearly bedtime for me!

domestic yes!

Expat I too am so very sorry about your little girl. I don't subscribe to make your own luck.

Domestic.

I don't know who you are referring to but I'm happy. I'd be even happier if I had my resources photo copied for dd tomorrow. We have D&T tomorrow we are baking.

yes morethan your thoughts are clear and have used a made up stat based on people you know to support it.
So you know these people would have been blissfully happy had one been a sahp? You know that it couldn't have turned out that they just weren't compatible? No because no one can.

As I said me and dh both work and both do childcare. I don't see how making one parent the most important when its not needed (as its not in my case) is right. But that's my opinion, that dh has as much right to be a parent as me.

Reading the thread and your revolting attitude to pumpkin did make me angry, yes, Sookie. You're right there. I was having a pleasant night otherwise :D Your 'calm ,relaxed' attitude sounds more like aggressive self-congratulation. Certainly not just you, Therose sure beats you in that department.