if you voted for the Tories, you should feel personally responsible when you see homeless people on the streets ...

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...once their policies start to bite.

They want to removing housing benefit for under 25s, many of whom have children. Just one of their policies which will drive people into homelessness.

I thought this was meant to be a civilised country. If the safety net is removed, many people including children will fall through it, some of them ending up on the streets.

How can anyone support that?

Wow. There really is some nastiness on this thread.

I am worth more than you.....

One more time? You are a hypocrite pumpkin along with domestic. Talking about how rude people are and their choices but god forbid anyone comments on yours.

Baby.

Its not a sense of entitlement, but what we deem best for our dcs. You see I have taken peoples assumptions on this thread, but you don't know me or my family.
I believe in being a sahm and love my time at home. My dd is really happy and we have loads of fun whilst learning far more than school could teach.
Ok I have benefit and dh doesn't earn alot but I have also saved the tax payer thousands on services we have not received to which we are ALL entitled.

My solution is not to rely on other tax payers hard earned money to finance my lifestyle. Why is this even an option in some people's heads?!?!

Because this is mumsnet (it should really be called leftwingnet).

You'll get nowhere on here suggesting that people should finance their own lives if they have choosen not to.

Unfortunately, an awful lot of people on here seem to think that the MN consensus is the same as the opinion of the public at large. They don't mix in anything but lefty circles so don't actually understand that their opinions aren't the majority's opinions.

HTH

So these kids are supposed to move back home...

Cameron obviously thinks all parents live in three/four bed houses when the reality is some have to move to a one bed when their kids go to uni.

Sookie, being called a hypocrite by the likes of you is music to my ears.

This thread is getting weirder. That doesn't even make sense. Why would who I vote for mean being called a hypocrite is ok.

I have commented on the policy or benefits? No I am defending people rights and trying to correct the view that 'at least labour cared about the poor' , which is the most short sighted political view I have ever heard.

Can't see much that is leftwing about the majority of posts on this thread, Boobs. It's all about earning £40k and farming your kids out to (unpaid for) childcare to do it.

i can't keep up with this thread, i'm only on page 14, but i'm OUTRAGED at the condescending attitude of posters regarding qualifications. who the bloody hell do you think you are??

i know people who are going to be in an awful situation once this tory shit hits the fan (me included) and they/we are all qualified in certain areas/subjects but there are NO FUCKING JOBS. i have got off my arse and created my own job, i run my own business, i'm doing shit, i'm not earning much at all, but i'm trying. tax credits should be there to help people like me, simple as that. i don't sponge, i work as hard as i can, i need a hand. god help you should you find yourself in that situation, part of me hopes you do so the smug, condescending grins can be wiped off your faces.

It was this thread and I don't think people in general are stupid.

NewNames - yes. Even those who have 'got on their bike and looked for work'. I suppose they can just get on their bikes again and go back to their parents' and sign on.

donestic I paid for it!!! I did my degree 6yrs ago. And guess what I'm saving to do my masters (saving that's right, pumpkin you should try it)! Don't fucking judge me as none of you know me at all and the stupid thing is that we are not even rich we are just sensible and live to our means.

When I'm at work I spend my time helping the children who are homeless, being molested by parents or are disabled etc so I know all about the other side of life and have been there myself in fact!

In an earlier post I said there was difference between people in pumpkins position and those 18yr olds who have never worked and Kat want their first house etc and why I think they were not deserving.

Was it too hard for you to read/follow?

morethan why is you being at home more important than your dh being there?
Why isn't as imporatant for you both to take a big part?

I think you are assuming all working parents use childcare. I don't. I have 3 businesses between me and dh. Ds no longer goes to nursery and me and dh work around having him and dd (she is in school).

Mum has them for 2 hours a week, at her request not ours so she can have them for tea.
dh and I are 50:50 parents. I am happy to work to help give him that. I am not the most imporatant parent.

Who are these 18 year olds who are getting free houses and can I have one?

Btw how much do you shell out in childcare, Fairy, or do you think it doesn't count as sponging if you get family to work for free for you?

If people want to "sponge" off their families, that is no skin off my nose.

wall dd is in school I'm on mat leave at mo looking after ds but I will make whatever arrangements I like for him when I return to work.

I have that luxury apparently as I am one of the silver spoon brigade!

Can't see much that is leftwing about the majority of posts on this thread, Boobs. It's all about earning £40k and farming your kids out to (unpaid for) childcare to do it.

And it's a bloody good job we do, dear, or else some of you would be right up the swanny. I do like the description of my kids' theatre and museum trips, baking, playing, wildlife watching and country walking being described as 'farming out.' It's quite apt for my inlaws, and they won't accept any money, we've tried. We do however, treat them to a trip on the Orient Express every year, to say thank you, as they're steam train mad. You see, it's a simple equation, hard work=nice life.

Oh and I live over 200 miles away from my family so will not using them!

But if you're only doing what you're doing because your family will work for you for free, you are hardly self-reliant.

A lot of people work hard and don't have a "nice life".

And how nice for you that you have family willing to do your childcare for free. Lots of us have patents that have full time jobs. Or family that are dead.

Well fairy you would now be paying 3-9 times as much. The government no longer funds teaching of undergraduate degrees. You have benefited from a significant subsidy that is no longer available to anyone.

Go read up on the fActs, you're a genius right?

And yes clearly I found all your posts far too hard to understand. That phd of mine was clearly awarded merely for effort (I got a scholarship too, guess that makes me a scrounger?)

Why on earth you think you are so incredible for working/studying/bringing up children is a mystery to me. I did the same myself like many others, but don't see the need to clobber people with 'no qualifications' and benefit claimants with it.

It's not about being self reliant it's about not being reliant on the state. There is certainly a role for families and even the charity sector. Of course I am super mean and would not have state funded maternity leave!

hard work=nice life.

Heh. Try telling that to your cleaner. Or your bin-man. Or the many many other people who do nasty, actual hard jobs for not very much money. There are plenty of people who work hard but do not have a nice life.

theroseofwait i work VERY hard and i don't have "a nice life" some of us are just luckier than others i believe...

But if I didn't have my PILs I'd just use the ofsted outstanding nursery more, which would probably be cheaper than posh trains!