if you voted for the Tories, you should feel personally responsible when you see homeless people on the streets ...

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...once their policies start to bite.

They want to removing housing benefit for under 25s, many of whom have children. Just one of their policies which will drive people into homelessness.

I thought this was meant to be a civilised country. If the safety net is removed, many people including children will fall through it, some of them ending up on the streets.

How can anyone support that?

And I never said ANYTHING about sterilisation am not a nazi or a tory ffs

morethan what a twattish statement. Why do people feel the need to berate working women.

Its a shame. Why is there such a hatred for how people choose to live? If you want to be a sahm, crack on. Unless you are going to moan about how badly done to you are, its no one business. If you want to be a working mum crack on.

I have a business and work about 70 hours a week. I like money, stability, the choice to expand if I want or not.

I employ people including parents. But, yeah, I must be selfish, greedy or financially at rock bottom to do this.

And domestics is talking about roses attitude. Its seems you can spout all the ahit you want as long as it doesn't sound like you may be comfortable and/ or vote Tory.

But Fairy, even if you worked 3 jobs in my area you would recieve a pittance no where near high enough to go to uni.
My sil went to uni, 15 years later she is still in debt even with her decent job.

morethanpotato I have never claimed to be rich, and I don't think I'm greedy although I do like nice things.

I just don't ever, ever, ever not have enough money to support my family so why would I give up a 40k+ a year career when my MIL makes every day like Christmas for my kids and considers it a pleasure, and I couldn't justify not working when they start school anyway. It wouldn't make sense.

Nothing to say domestic now you know I paid my own way?

Fgs fairyjen now you even take credit for pumpkin's children?!!
Sense of entitlement much?

Disgusting. Most horrible thread I've ever read on here and there have been a few.

I'm off, can't take any more of you lot. You make me feel like giving up work and having 3 more kids just to be as unlike you lot as possible. Sadly I love my job and don't want any more kids. Damn.

You're probably all stupid enough to believe I'd actually do that, too...

Good luck pumpkin. You come across as way wiser than these fishwives for all their amazing degrees and jobs. Just goes to show a degree is not what it used to be. And I should know as I mark exam papers every year!!

Pumpkin if your do was earning 17000 you are in no way getting back what he paid in, you are getting far far more. If your working lives continue in he same vein, you will likely never put in as much as you take out. You take from the state, in order for that to happen others have to give me far more than they receive, the Silver spoon brigade in fact

Not give me, give in

ever, ever, ever, want to not have enough money to support my family, even.

Exactly how do you know londonone, are you a tax credits official?
Anyway im off i'll leave you lot to argue amongst yourselves as i need to go to bed to be up early for the school run.
I'm worth more than you in heart and soul.

Many of my friends who became working parents are divorced now and kids in a right mess

What the actual fuck?

What has that got to do with anything. I got married at 20, had dd at 22. I have worked while I had her and another dc at 29. I opened my own business. Dh owns his own and we have a joint one.

Oh and happily married. Because some people you know worked and split up means exactly what? I know quite a few sahms who are not divorced and it proves shit all.

Its not even a sensible argument. people you know don't make anything fact.

Personally I would be quite worried if my marriage couldn't take me having a career of my own. I know dh and I are together no matter the circumstance.

Fairyjen. Are you Pumkins child minder then?

How on earth can you say you are bringing her children up. Obviously you see bringing up kids as material things. If you work your kids are nurtured, educated, brought up by the person caring for them at that time. So Pumkin is full time.
What thanks does she get, none.

And you could call me many things, I suspect some of you already are, but I can assure you that a fishwife would never be one of them.

Am shocked at the sense of entitlement of some folk! I'd love another baby but guess what, finances don't allow. My solution is not to rely on other tax payers hard earned money to finance my lifestyle. Why is this even an option in some people's heads?!?!

It's basic maths pumpkin. I can see why you may struggle.

Sookie, I don't remember saying it proved anything.

I was merely responding to an assumption I had no dh

I think domestics post may be the most hypocritical post that I have ever seen on here.

Blimey, the spirit of Jeremy Kyle seems alive and well tonight (not you, pumpkin).

This will probably be ignored, but I've seen a few messages along the lines of under-25s should get themselves into shared accommodation - well, the govt agrees with you - housing benefit for under-35s (ie people ten years older than them) is done on a single room basis - you can't get a flat all to yourself. What is different about this new proposal is that under-25s won't get housing benefit at all - not for bedsits, not for rooms in a shared house, not for shared rooms in a shared house, not for anything. Doesn't seem right to me.

I'm worth more than you in heart and soul.

How bloody dare you? I'm the poor sod going out to make sure you can have your four kids on £17,000 a year. How dare you?!

london!!!

Yuck. And londonone claims on another thread to 'work with'' deprived children and their families.

Nice attitude there London. You clearly think they and their families are stupid.

Btw fairyjen unless you started your degree this year then the government , not you, paid for your teaching. Your fee would now be three to nine times what you paid. No problem for a genius superwoman like you, I guess :-d

morethan what was that sentence in for then?

Well that's lovely pumpkin but unfortunately your heart and soul don't seem to be capable of supporting your family.

Sookie, being called a hypocrite by the likes of you is music to my ears.

Anyway I'll leave you to your three minute hate. Pumpkin, hope you and dh find the work you're looking for soon. X

You people are funny. If you all think that life on benefits/tax credits is so cushty, I think you should give up your £40k a year jobs. Just Do It, as Mr Nike said.