if you voted for the Tories, you should feel personally responsible when you see homeless people on the streets ...

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...once their policies start to bite.

They want to removing housing benefit for under 25s, many of whom have children. Just one of their policies which will drive people into homelessness.

I thought this was meant to be a civilised country. If the safety net is removed, many people including children will fall through it, some of them ending up on the streets.

How can anyone support that?

Remember Liam Byrne's note to Denis Laws?
"Dear chief secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left".

All the labour supporters, look here ^^

All you that think labour are morally superior and 'care about poor people' this is the note they left for the new government.

Labour bled the country dry to try and secure votes, then laughed as they walked away. They now stand in the shadows hooking their busoms and clutching at their pearls shouting 'won't someone think of the children' without actually helping or even havi g a plan to help apart from ' we would borrow more'.

Labour thought leaving the country in the shit something to joke about. They thought leaving you in the shit was a joke. After leaving us in the shit they now twitter about how they could fix it. But they couldn't, they couldn't even stop it.

I'm not quite 50, but when I was under 25, those who weren't married or living with parents flat-shared. No one expected government hand-outs for housing. A room in a shared flat/house with communal kitchen and bathroom was quite sufficient.

I have always voted Tory and will continue to do so.

Why is it repellant? Pumpkin called another poster stupid as they dared to suggest qualifications can help with jobs and yet has nothing to back that up with?

Both my dp and I went to uni after dd so we could provide a better life for her and we made major sacrifices to do that. I graduated with a first and an award so was able to get a bloody good job leading us to be in a position to have ds.

I'm not a ficking snob but I refuse to work my backside off for the benefit of other people! My children will at least grow up knowing the value of hard work and how to make their own futures!

Yes pumpkin agreed. You can practically hear them slavering over the justified suffering of your 'poor' children! And your poor dh too condemned to a life of wage slavery by your selfish breeding (probably news to him- but lets not let that get in the way of a nice lip smacking moral judgement)

Mn is really the pits on threads like this. Vicious, self righteous cant of the worst kind. Thank god I never meet people like you lot in real life.

What a fucking load of bollocks thread.

Was there no one on the streets when the last load of left-wing fuckwits were in power?

OP, I hold YOU personally responsible for anyone being homeless before the current government came to power.

That's how much sense your thread of utter fuckwittery makes.

Did you go to school?

Yes rose you may have a lovely life, you may lose it all tomorrow

I suppose fairy & rose want forced sterilisations for people like me too

Fairy, very rude i guess you and rose are the rich silver spoons brigade.

How the hell can someone call someone rude then say this ^^.

There would be hell on if I said 'yiu must be a benefit scrounged if you are against the Tories and back labour and have x kids and don't work'

But it seems ok to slag people off if there is a sniff they may not be right on the breadline or vote Tory.

Hypocrite much?

At least they are being brought up by their parents.
Right, so who's bringing mine up, then, Father Christmas? And I'd rather they were brought up to earn their own keep and aim high than sit on their backsides all day.

On another thread I have just been told that I have no right to be a sahm if I receive benefit. (Ha)

Why Ha? You have children and no partner to pay for you to stay at home. Why the hell should you when the rest of us have to work?!

When I was single I flat shared. A friend had her own very small flat which she had bought but she was a few years older than me. She thought she was incredibly lucky and so did I.

It's your self-regard and self-righteousness which are repellent.

As I've said, thank god I don't have to share air with people like you an know that off the Internet you're actually pretty rare.

Oh and that first of yours- yeah well done! The government paid for it, remember. Won't happen for your kids, guess they'll just have to have faith in 'hard work'! Works for Chinese factory workers, guess it'll have to do for us. Only don't expect it to be rewarded in future.

Most of what the tories are doing is continuingwhere Labour left off.

Atos assessments of DLA/ESA - contract awarded by Labour, criteria set by Labour. Slightly extended by tories. To be continued by Labour.

PFI/PPP contracts - started by John Major, enthusiastically adopted and encouraged by Brown, now bankrupting hospitals

Selling off NHS - Started with Labour (Hinchingbrooke, Serco). People may have voted for the 'no top down reorganisation of the NHS' - all bollocks

Academies - principle put in place by Labour. Adopted and extended.

Cutting benefits - Labour said at their conference that benefits would need to be cut and there is room to do it.

Workfare - see New Deal.

Pointless foreign wars, unnecessary nuclear submarines, aircraft carriers which won't work - both.

So who do you suggest we vote for then Op?

The rose,

If you are too financially vulnerable for one of you to be there all day for your dc you are either not that rich. So you could be poor as well soon. Or you are a very greedy person who just likes lots of money.
Either way, interesting, as you seem so up yourself.

What are this government doing to get the economy back on track by the way?

How about reducing the welfare bill by creating jobs? Where are their plans on getting the economy going?

Cutting welfare will have many costs to society, it's not going to save us the money they've promised, unless they do away with the welfare state completely, which I admit is probably their aim. But that's not a country I want to live in.

Mn is really the pits on threads like this. Vicious, self righteous cant of the worst kind.

I was thinking the same thing, about different posters to you, but the same sentiment.

Snob, why of course so working 11years in a factory, working all hours and overtime oh yes of course its YOU working your arse off....well if you would of seen and had to do the job my dh did you would get off your highhorse as even without qualification he worked his fucking arse of and actually he does have a fl liscence, nvq2 & nvq3 in business techniques which he obtained through work but no the gcse aren't so good but does that make him uneducated and who paid taxes then, he did. So No actually he paid what we are getting now

pumpkin, how many times?

Even if both dh and I lost our jobs we have enough in savings and insurance cover for nothing to change that much for a long while. By which time we'd probably have found jobs. That's what I've been doing that four letter word they call work for while my dcs are little, to protect them from the things you are telling me could happen to your own children.

It's called planning for the worst. If it did happen then people like fairy and I would fall on ourselves, because we've put things in place over the years and not just done whatever we wanted whenever we wanted. You should try it. . . .

I'm not of the silver spoon brigade! My dp is from a council estate and is first in his family to ever go uni which he did for his dc to make a better life for them!

As for me I was bought up to respect the value of hard work and money. It's shit that you obviously were not punpkin but that's your problem. Not mine!

And it's not you bringing up your children it's me and every other hard working taxpayer in this country

And FYI I have never voted Tory!

The rose,

Why do you assume I have no partner. I don't actually I have a wonderful husband of 20 years. We are so happy because we worked on our relationship as we also have with our wonderful children. Many of my friends who became working parents are divorced now and kids in a right mess. OMG there is a law that says everybody has to work except me.
Thanks rose, I had no idea.

No need for forced sterilisation if the kids get left to starve or rot, pumpkin.

They can turn to crime or prostitution presumably. Tory types ought to like that, shows initiative eh?

Pumpkin if you are on means tested Job seekers allowance you may be entitled to a free college course. But if you are on contribution based JSA you won't be entitled to free tuition. That is the rule as far as I know. Which I think is very unfair. I think all Job seekers should be entitled to free tuition if they wish to take a course. I don't know what the current rules are about how many hours you can attend college whilst on JSA.

My dh has was made redundant a MONTH ago, how's that SITTING on his arse exactly?
He WORKED, i'm a SAHM what an earth is wrong with that, i haven't insulted wohm so don't insult me.

For the record, having an education and buckets of money alone doesn't make you a better person than us.
Going to uni costs MONEY, money borrowed from the banks which also caused this mess.

domestic I paid for my degree by working two jobs whilst looking after dd and doing the course. Not the government thank you.

It's called hard work! Maybe some posters should google that!

Londonone-£17,000 is a good wage in my area, infact it is the most healthist wage you can get for the experience he had.
It was well than enough on its own to bring up a family, i took the tax creds as they were on offer.