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if you voted for the Tories, you should feel personally responsible when you see homeless people on the streets ...

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aufaniae · 10/10/2012 13:39

...once their policies start to bite.

They want to removing housing benefit for under 25s, many of whom have children. Just one of their policies which will drive people into homelessness.

I thought this was meant to be a civilised country. If the safety net is removed, many people including children will fall through it, some of them ending up on the streets.

How can anyone support that?

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pumpkinsweetie · 10/10/2012 21:40

People opposing any sort of tax credits or help, one day you may wake up lose your job, lose your home, run out of savings and then maybe you will have a clue about what it's like to be me.
Put yourselves in my shoes for one second and think, would you want your children to suffer, starve, be without heating etc?
It may be my job, but truth is there isn't any jobs in my area, not ones sustainable with no tax credits at all!
My dh HAD a decent job now he doesn't, but has no qualifications to get him anywhere near enough wages to support us and neither do i!
The reason his money was good is because his money went up every year as he worked there long term.
He was earning £17,000 but if he gets a mw job, which we'll have to take we will need extra help

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aufaniae · 10/10/2012 21:42

Cuts have to be made, but not these. It is not necessary to make children homeless.

It is the responsibility of the government as it's changes they're bringing in which will result in making children homeless. It's them who are moving the goalposts.

It's unnessarily cruel and will make society poorer as a result.

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pumpkinsweetie · 10/10/2012 21:43

Well other peoples children are not my responsibility but i don't want to see any children suffer as a result of these cuts as i actually have a heart, some of which some of you don't have quite clearly.

Wait until it affects someone in your family, friend, nieces, nephews, sisters, brothers-it isn't just about other peoples children as you are likely to see your own family/friend suffer in the future.

theroseofwait · 10/10/2012 21:47

Look, I've already explained that nothing would really change if either one of us lost our jobs so I'm not going there again! Mu children would not starve or go without food or heat because I simply would not allow that situation to arise.

But why the hell, in this day and age, have two adults got no qualifications between them? I'm sorry but that's just plain ridiculous. They were (and maybe still are) giving away adult literacy and numeracy courses, ICT training and things like food hygiene courses like sweets at huge expense to the taxpayer. If you're in that situation then you've got nobody to blame but yourselves, sorry.

Tailtwister · 10/10/2012 21:48

Well rose I think it is everyone's responsibility to protect all children, not just our own.

BoulevardOfBrokenSleep · 10/10/2012 21:48

Babymamaroon, I know your argument sounds sensible, but it's really much more complex than that and it's a shame so many people have swallowed that line. The cutting of the 50% tax and corporation tax were unneccsary, and cost the gov't loads.

The cuts they made to compensate caused the economy to tank into a double-dip recession, tax receipts went down and, long story short, gov't borrowing has actually gone up.

pumpkinsweetie · 10/10/2012 21:49

In answer to there -My dh bought in all the wages for us and i am a sahm but now he has been made redundant we are both looking for work.
We provide a loving home for my dc, im there all day for my youngest who is 2 and i love my children very much. I support them emotionally and one day hope to support them financially too unless my dh manages to secure a decent job.
My children are clothed, fed, and looked after.
And now on jsa and in this situation i do not plan on having any more children whilst we are out of work.

Fairyjen · 10/10/2012 21:49

I would like to point out that you are discussing a PROPOSAL!!! None of the full details have been disclosed and it has not become fact. Like I said if I end up stepping over homeless families on way to shop etc I will post an apology!

theroseofwait · 10/10/2012 21:51

Right, so where would that stop then? Your town? Your county? The UK? Europe? The world?

If everbody in a developed country like ours took responsibility for their own children, there would be no need for us as a nation to inervene and we could look at protecting kids with real problems, like those in East Africa or little girls shot for wanting to go to school.

MonMome · 10/10/2012 21:52

It's not the single under-25s that are only entitled to housing benefit equating to a room in a shared house; from January 2012 it has been the under-35s.

pumpkinsweetie · 10/10/2012 21:53

Don't be stupid there, whilst actively seeking work you cannot take on a college course as it isn't allowed and will affect our jsa, not only that it will cost us the same as everyone else.
Free college courses are for those on income support which we are not entiteld to.
We do have some gcse of c grade but not of those required for the current jobs.

Fairyjen · 10/10/2012 21:55

pumpkin I'm not saying its wrong to be a sahm however look at the predicament you are now in. Both my dp and myself work and have only 2 dc so we are well able to provide if one of us was to lose our jobs we could survive on one income.

I have to say I do find it incredible that people can be unqualified in this day and age when education and resources are readily available

Viviennemary · 10/10/2012 21:55

What would happen one day if this country carried on spending and there was literally no money from the Government to pay Civil Servants, to pay pensions, to pay School teachers, to pay family allowance, to pay tax credits. Then people would have a lot more to worry about. If that's scaremongering then sorry. But no worse than streets full of homeless children.

domesticgodless · 10/10/2012 21:56

Rose your comments to pumpkin are vile and you should be ashamed.

You see yourself as superior to her eh? How exactly is it 'never going to happen' that your family would end up poor?

We're going to be the new China. Lots more work and less money for everyone. Everyone's standard of living is going to plummet in the next few decades unless they are already very rich. guess you had your property portfolio sorted before you had kids right? So flipping what. You're no better than anyone else. Just more arrogant.

sookiesookie · 10/10/2012 21:56

I'll confess - I think it's stretching an argument to say that every voter is personally responsible for every action that their party takes while in government.

So you you just wanted a bunfight.

I'll mention the war anyway I want thank you. I don't need to protest to be given permission. The talk about YOU being to blame for the war is based on your own theory.

I won't be protesting on the 20th as I have my own business, with out me it can't open and its Como go to our busy time. I need to feed my children. But you god Damn me for feeding them.

domesticgodless · 10/10/2012 21:57

Yeah sure Vivienne, because those scrounging children are the source of all government spending ever.

Head desk moment.

pumpkinsweetie · 10/10/2012 21:57

But thats the problem though there those countries you describe are what we will some day be if these changes take place.
Where will it end, will there be families on the street, rats everywhere, dirt, filth and squalor, stealing, pick pocketing....

If my children and i end up in such a situation what do you think will happen because i would certainly steal if it meant my kids were going to starve if i didn't.

Fairyjen · 10/10/2012 21:57

You can also get student loans etc which usually equal more than benefits so don't be calling people stupid when all you have is a handful of c grade gcse's!

Viviennemary · 10/10/2012 22:00

I was meaning no less scaremongering than people on about streets of homeless children. It just isn't going to happen if people are sensible. Exactly what part of this policy is going to lead to streets full of homeless children.

theroseofwait · 10/10/2012 22:00

In answer to there -My dh bought in all the wages for us and i am a sahm but now he has been made redundant we are both looking for work.

Didn't answer my question.

We provide a loving home for my dc,

So should any decent parent.

im there all day for my youngest who is 2 and i love my children very much

I love my children very much but realise that if I am there all day then we are too vulnerable financially. I was looked after by my granny (as my boys predominantly are) from 3.5 until I started school, and I have to say I wouldn't have known unless I was told. I also suspect my 2 year old would also protest quite strongly if I stopped him from doing the few hours he does at nursery, with all his friends and rooms full of toys as far as the eye can see!

I support them emotionally and one day hope to support them financially too unless my dh manages to secure a decent job.

Why are you leaving all the responsibility to your poor dh?!

My children are clothed, fed, and looked after.

That's not what you alluded to earlier.

And now on jsa and in this situation i do not plan on having any more children whilst we are out of work.

Well, thank the lord for that. . . . .

morethanpotatoprints · 10/10/2012 22:02

Pumkin.

You are doing the best for your children don't let anyone tell you otherwise. At least they are being brought up by their parents.
On another thread I have just been told that I have no right to be a sahm if I receive benefit. (Ha)

domesticgodless · 10/10/2012 22:02

Good god. Pumpkin you've got the patience of a saint.

Fairyjen your comment is also repellent.

So are qualifications now a prerequisite for breeding? Who died and put you in charge of the world?

Disgusting snobbery. And also idiocy. Without unskilled labour this country would not run. They didn't invent all the right robots yet.

Oh and I guess as I've got a phd I'm allowed to call other people stupid? No? :-D

Fairyjen · 10/10/2012 22:02

Rose

pumpkinsweetie · 10/10/2012 22:04

Fairy, very rude i guess you and rose are the rich silver spoons brigade.
It won't last forever and who will you have to fall on.

Just because we have no education and right now no money i'm a better person than either of you will ever be as i would never question someone as to why they had children as quite simply it is none of my business and my children are loved regardless of my financial situation and i also have enough compassion inside myself to worry about children that are not mine and a future they may have if these plans go ahead.

You best hope your money lasts forever, goodluck with that.
But unlike you i should like to think your children wont suffer

theroseofwait · 10/10/2012 22:05

Oh, and I most certainly not stupid, or ashamed. I can hold my head up high knowing that the lovely life we all have is down to me being sensible, making some sacrifices, and not thinking the world owes me a living or four kids.

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