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To be gutted about Jimmy Savile

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mrsrosieb · 07/10/2012 12:42

I have just watched Jimmy being interviewed by Louis Theroux on YouTube. He seemed childlike and lonely.
I grew up watching this guy and thought he was some sort of saint-raising £40M for charities. I cannot believe what I am reading in the press and I really hope it is not true.

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YouOldSlag · 07/10/2012 19:37

John Peel married a 15 year old when he was 26 mrsrosie!

MrsjREwing · 07/10/2012 19:42

He met her before she was 15, links in chat threads, along with links to UK and US rock stars who under age girls claim the same years back.

mrsrosieb · 07/10/2012 20:54

Jeez. I am so naive.

Why the hell have the BBC protected these scumbags?

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mrsrosieb · 07/10/2012 20:54

I am gutted

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MrsjREwing · 07/10/2012 20:59

You need to ask who other than the scapegoat BBC was allowing it to go on.

topknob · 07/10/2012 21:03

Too many people coming forward imo for it too be crap.

tanteclaire · 07/10/2012 21:38

I'm horrified (not particularly surprised - I thought there had been rumours for years and have absolutely no media connections.) "Gutted" is an odd choice of word, unless you mean gutted for those poor girls/women who are most likely still suffering the effects today.

GhouliaYelps · 07/10/2012 21:42

To all of the victims of JS. I believe you.

carlywurly · 07/10/2012 22:04

Tailtwister - exactly the same. Even when I was little, I remember thinking he was creepy and I didn't like him.

Tbh I thought all the things which have come out were common knowledge years ago. I don't know exactly why I'd have had that awareness though. Odd.

I feel desperately sorry for anyone who was put through misery by him. What a twisted bloke he was.

LynetteScavo · 07/10/2012 22:08

Well, of course I liked JS when I was a child. He held the key to making my wildest dreams come true.

When I saw him on Louis Theroux he just seemed...odd. I saw him in a completely different light.

HellATwork · 07/10/2012 23:17

Savile is the tip of the iceberg. I bet a lot of people currently shitting themselves are hoping we all focus on lynching the BBC so they can carry on.

There's just so much stuff even apart from the wholly credible witnesses in that programme - including the eye witnesses let's not forget - Sue Thompson the BBC junior producer he saw him abusing a young girl and reported it - in no particular order:

  1. JS injunction agains The Sun in 2008 to prevent them publishing the photo of him with the kids at Haut de la Garenne - a children's care home in Jersey where Ted Heath's bodyguards reportedly saw JS deliver little boys from the care home to TH to abuse on his yacht Morning Glory - JS has been named by at least one Jersey victim although the investigation was actively run aground by those in power in Jersey - JS had denied ever visiting HdG presumably when he was interviewed over victim's allegations in 2007
  1. JS's nephew Guy Marsden's statement about running into JS in a child molester's flat he and his school friends had been lured into at King's Cross and ending up guarding 10 - 12 year olds ferried into a pop impresario's from care homes while they waited their turn to be taken into bedrooms by men and abused. {Daily Mail Article}
  1. JS's own autobiography which a poster refers to above, especially with regard to JS's elevated position in the freemasons and blackmail material he had in order to take down half of that particular Leeds police station with him in the 1950s.
  1. JS's request to be buried in concrete - "eccentric"Hmm. No. Evidence-DNA destroying? Perhaps. I'm not a forensic pathologist CSI type person so I have not a clue. But a block of concrete would certainly deter an angry mob disinterring a corpse if, as the net was starting to close in with his questioning on HdG involvement in 2007, he started to contemplate things coming out within a short time after his death.
  1. "God?ll Fix It, his slim volume on religion published in 1978, contained many more unusual insights. Jimmy opened a chapter titled How Do I Cope With Sex? with the following thought: ?Sex at its worst is corruption, as when young people might be corrupted to provide sex.? He went on to talk about how sex could be the source of ?great remorse, great guilt? and insisted his rule was never ?make love to anyone if it causes them distress? or if they were in ?a state of drunkenness or don?t know what they?re doing. I mustn?t take them knowing that when they return to normal they?ll be distressed?.
In closing, he offered a final thought: ?Whether it?s OK to God we?ll just have to wait and see.?" Wonder what God will think when he turns up and has to explain why he's in concrete? www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2213931/Jimmy-Savile-Little-slaves-sordid-boasts-dark-truth-friend--biographer-Dan-

Absolutely everything JS did was motivated by access and opportunity to abuse children. I don't doubt this for a second. One of his older brothers has a conviction for sexual abuse of a hospital patient. Something went very very wrong in that family. His utter disregard for those children he abused and procured for others to abuse (there are already revelations that his motto was "the younger: the better" as stated by his biographer - the opportunistic abuse of 13+ yr old fans is just what he permitted enough people to see openly)

There have been child care home abuse scandals in concentrated pockets around the country (Jersey, Clwyd/N Wales, Islington, Plymouth to name a few) where abuse was going on through the 60s/70s/80s and the 90s. In all cases it has been only staff abusing the children have been convicted (with puzzlingly lenient sentences) but allegations from victims of being hired out/given to be abused by others have been shut down due to who they identify in positions of power throughout the ages. The names are astonishing and yet, like Savile, the rumours have always been there and insinuated publicly in a variety of ways. In Clwyd the main abuser running the home Bryn also ran several video production companies and was inexplicably estimated to be worth £7m. www.independent.co.uk/life-style/clwyd-at-long-last-the-coverup-is-over-1283994.html

It was strongly suggested the North Wales police were involved which was why the extent of the abuse was allowed to rake in £7m in profits from using those children as studio fodder for their video production companies and why victims' allegations were reportedly not passed to the CPS. In 2007 the Waterhouse Report (the resulting inquiry into the N Wales scandal) was suppressed - www.nickdavies.net/1997/10/01/secrecy-imposed-on-the-exposure-of-alleged-child-abuse-news-and-feature/ because as you can see, the list of the accused contained high ranking individuals and police and social workers and suggests links to political parties and the aristocracy.

JS used his links within the freemasons to find, procure for and involve in the abuse of children and then forever have a hold over them. In the early days (1950s) in the dance halls it may have been just the cop shop round the corner from the Mecca Locarno he had connections in as he boasted of, but then the masons has all manner of members from police to parliamentarians to aristocracy. I'm pretty sure he used his "faith" in the same way, as a means to connect with other paedophiles in positions of power or with access to children. His nephew references a priest at the parties. And through this JS built an invincible power base as more and more people in positions of power became known to him as pedophiles. So no, if it's some small comfort I don't think we were as morally negligent or uncaring as we think although there are plently of points to be made about the culture of sexism and children not being listened to. But I also think that JS was very well protected by what he knew about people in power - and he was also known to be very litigious.

I suspect this will end up with a suppressed report or a D notice for 100 years like Tony Blair slapped on the findings of the Islington care abuse scandal or, if they can, we will be incited into scampering after the celebrities who, for sentimental reasons, we will be most upset about. Never mind the fact that those in actual positions of power and authority, some with immense wealth who can afford to buy children and treat them as so disposable they lose their lives, will slip under the radar yet again.

HellATwork · 07/10/2012 23:41

Sorry - to answer the question - YABU - if you can't believe what you're reading in the press you can't have read much because there is tonnes out there - although I can see the TV programme has changed your mind but YABU to also focus on the BBC. The BBC is the acceptable target (happily for other media outlets) and is the one we will be encouraged to pursue. I tend to think screw spending money on a BBC inquiry.

I want the victims we already know about to have justice but there are many many more victims out there that haven't been heard yet, whose testimony and allegations from the care abuse inquiries around the UK have been suppressed or have since committed suicide and who, if we listen to them now, will link JS to other people. It is them we should be listening to now. JS will be linked to more care homes or approved schools than Duncroft or Haut de la Garenne and with him will be names we will be horrified to recognise even more than Savile's. Sorry to be so doom and gloom but 4 days of solid reading about this has entirely revised my opinion of post-WWII British history. I've certainly been reappraised of on what basis certain decisions may have been made (e.g. blackmail for both homosexual and paedophile activities across political parties and british intelligence as with the Kincora- Belfast boys' home scandal).

LaVolcan · 08/10/2012 08:36

Well said to both your last two posts, HellATwork.

YouOldSlag · 08/10/2012 08:43

HelllAtWork explains better than I could, how Savile made himself "untouchable" and his TV persona was part of that too.

LaVolcan · 08/10/2012 08:52

And her link
www.independent.co.uk/life-style/clwyd-at-long-last-the-coverup-is-over-1283994.html

shows how whistleblowers were ignored/sacked.

Shy44 · 19/10/2012 23:00

Well, it appears Jimmy Savile was just a cog in a very big machine:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9620223/Jimmy-Savile-He-was-the-tip-of-the-iceberg.html

How about that for 'bizarre', mumsnet?

Loveweekends10 · 20/10/2012 04:30

Those poor children and the adults that most not all have become. It's shocking that the police were discredited. It's shocking that there are still people in positions of authority who did this. What kind of society are we living in?

LaVolcan · 20/10/2012 08:43

I can't help thinking though, that a few 'small fry' will be the ones who get punished. The really high up names/celebrities will still cover their traces - no doubt aided by their masonic friends.

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