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do they really humiliate Bigger BMI pregnant women now?

178 replies

KillerRack · 28/09/2012 14:53

I am a bigger BMI, and have anxiety issues.

I've been turning my own stomach recently worrying that in hospital they will make me you have to use a fat person delivery room, or a huge bed or god knows what.

just need some reassurrance it hasn't turned into a circus really?.

AIBU to worry so much??.

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Secondsop · 28/09/2012 22:46

killerrack I'm a big BMI, and all it's meant is that I've had consultant-led care through the pregnancy instead of midwife led care, and I have had a glucose tolerance test, and I also have to see an anaesthetist in a couple of weeks. As high BMI is classed as high risk, i have to give birth in the hospital not in the midwife-led unit but that's what I would have wanted anyway. I was also advised to try to maintain my weight (NOT to lose it); i was told that pregnancy is not the time to be trying to reduce your weight. I've actually found that very easy to do (partly because I've gone right off food) and I'm a few kilos down (at 29 weeks) from what I was at the start of the pregnancy. Nobody has weighted me at any of my appointments or mentioned it for ages. It may well be that it's discussed more when we get towards the birth but my experience so far has been a focus on any specific medical issues rather than general finger-pointing about weight.

LonelyCloud · 28/09/2012 22:57

Rumplepump - actively trying to lose weight is not recommended when pregnant. If you're already pregnant, it's too late to be trying to lose weight in order to get to a healthier BMI.The OP is already pregnant. I don't know how obese she is, but if she tries to diet with the aim of losing several stone before the birth, that's not going to be good for the baby.

On the other hand, for an obese woman, eating a healthy diet in pregnancy, with the aim of maintaining your weight so that you don't gain much more (if any) weight than the weight of the actual baby and amnotic fluid, is recommended.

The above is based on advice given to me by my midwife when I was pregnant.

elliejjtiny · 28/09/2012 23:02

Nobody can force you into having an epidural. When I saw the anaesthetist he said that he wanted me to have the epidural and the cannula in as soon as I got to hospital because it's harder to do it on fatter women and it's also harder to do it if you're further on in labour as its harder to keep still then. He only got annoyed with me because as an anaesthetist he will be used to having women be incredibly grateful to him for taking their pain away and for me to say I'd rather stick with gas and air thanks probably dented his ego. He flicked through my notes and told me that I'd be begging for him to come if my baby was back to back. I told him that DS2 was back to back and I hadn't wanted an epidural then either, he agreed with me after that Grin.

ChazsGoldAttitude · 28/09/2012 23:29

I had an epidural but only because I asked for one after I had been in labour for a fair while. I did have a cannula in my hand but that was because I was having a VBAC so you are thought to be at a higher risk of having a bleed it wasn't anything to do with my weight.

I did put on a lot of weight with my first pregnancy (3 stone heavier after the baby was born). However, with my second I only put on 1.5 stone in total before the baby was born so I was back to my pre-pregnancy weight shortly after the baby was born (I made a conscious effort to eat sensibly second time around after shocking myself with my weight gain first time and was helped by chronic heartburn which killed my appetite) i.e. pretty much all the weight I gained was the baby, placenta and fluid retention. This was entirely my choice nobody monitored my weight during the pregnancy but given I was already obese I didn't want to gain another 3 stone. Certainly nobody suggested that I should try to lose weight.

I had a completely normal trouble free pregnancy with both children despite my high BMI and only had an emcs with DS1 because he was an undiagnosed breech.

BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability · 29/09/2012 07:51

I'd just like to add that I think BMI is bollocks for me. And not because I'm fat now, because now I'm actually in the normal range for once.

I'm 5'9", a size 12-14 top and 14-16 on the bottom. And I weigh less now after two pregnancies than I did before them.
But before, although a 10-12 top and 12-14 bottom, I was overweight. And I wasnt a gymnast or an athlete or anything, I used to dance but stopped at 16.

In fact when I told a family member recently that I'd reached the healthy zone, they looked sceptical and said "really?" (Said family member is quite a podge themselves!! Grr!!)

After the faff I had with my first birth (quick but they werent too keen to believe me, what with it being my first). I'd booked a homebirth but had to go in to be induced. If they'd told me I had to have an epidural, I would have walked out! Luckily the midwife I had for labour trusted me and pretty much left me to it :) loved her!

Actually thats abother thing, no one told me I couldnt have a homebirth due to my weight. I think the cut off for weight advice and everything is bmi35> in my trust??

BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability · 29/09/2012 07:53

Had to have a cannula as I was induced... Took four attempts and 5 months later I still have bruises.
Thats my veins though, they have the same trouble with my mum Grin

x2boys · 29/09/2012 11:02

no they wont humiliate you i have a large BMI just a fasting blood suger no supersize beds or anything!

Funnylittleturkishdelight · 29/09/2012 13:02

Sorry to say gold ship, but she is overweight and if her BMI so in the obese range, encouraging her to lose weight is what is needed before offering other treatment.

Equally though- I think support to encourage her to identify why she over eats and help to lead a healthier lifestyle would be sensible and more helpful from her doctor.

CaptainHoratioWragge · 29/09/2012 13:17

Sorry but I really think a MN member putting a photo of her friend on a thread and then other MNers discussing whether they think she is overweight or not is really reallly not in the spirit of MN.

I would be really hurt if my friend had posted my photo on a thread and other women were commenting publically about my weight in this way.

Please stop this!

LadyBeagleEyes · 29/09/2012 13:22

I'm assuming her mate was up for it or I would agree with you Captain.
For all we know, they were on MN together at the time.

KillerRack · 29/09/2012 13:38

I am now worrying I will be pressured to have an epi!! I'm dreading the anesthetist visit I know/heard they can be quite nasty.

The consultant was alright she said ' we are not trying to change you, we don't want to change you' then kept saying 'bigger ladies' was a bit grating , seemed a bit try hard to be pally, I can cope with the facts just not rudeness I'm not made of glass Grin.
but you get some nasty consultants so maybe she was trying to go against the norm?.

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WorraLiberty · 29/09/2012 13:47

What did she mean by they're not trying to change you?

GoldShip · 29/09/2012 14:15

Just a quick post to say: her BMI is not in the obese scale. It is in the 'slightly overweight' scale. Which is why I said she shouldn't be 'too fat to treat'.

Me and my friend were both together on mumsnet at the time. She has an account on here too :) so please dont make out I'm an awful friend. Because I'm not

Mumsnet have kindly been in touch and we've decided to withdraw my posts. Thanks! X

KillerRack · 29/09/2012 14:40

Not entirely sure I assume 'not trying to make me change myself ' ie. change weight etc.

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WorraLiberty · 29/09/2012 14:45

That's a bit bizarre really considering the risk to you and the baby.

Unless you told her you're not planning to have any more, in that case she might have thought it wasn't worth going into?

KillerRack · 29/09/2012 15:32

No I do want more,b

tbh I've never had any complications though at all in any of them.

Well If have to have a consultant led pregnancy then surely they want something to change.

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WorraLiberty · 29/09/2012 15:38

That's lucky.

I know lots of smokers who didn't get any complications either but their still obviously advised not to TTC until they've given up...or if the baby's unplanned they're given advice on cutting down/giving up.

So maybe with far less people smoking nowadays, the focus is being shifted onto the next high risk category and maybe that's obese/overweight Mums to be?

KillerRack · 29/09/2012 15:55

The smoker comparison isn't really a logical one.

I'm not inhaling poison, cutting off air supply also risking brain damage and smokers are more likely to have very small babies who are underdeveloped, LD etc. my child will not be born addicted to anything.

with obesity you're main risk is having a very large baby, which I'm not Its big but within normal range apparently, but I'm 5'11 , dad 6'6 so a small baby was never going to happen anyway.

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KillerRack · 29/09/2012 15:55

They are actually much more lenient on smokers than they were with my 1st tbh Confused.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 29/09/2012 16:10

Women who are obese during early pregnancy have a significantly increased risk of their baby dying before, during or up to one year after birth, according to research published in Europe?s leading reproductive medicine journal Human Reproduction today [1]. A second paper [2] also published in the journal today shows that obesity increases the risk of complications, such as bleeding and infections, during and after a hysterectomy operation.
In the first paper, researchers from Newcastle University, UK, studied 40,932 pregnancies involving deliveries of single babies during 2003 to 2005 at five maternity units in the north of England. They found that women who were obese in early pregnancy had nearly double the risk of the baby dying in the womb (foetal death [3]) or up to one year after birth (infant death) than women who were of recommended weight.
The study estimated there were nearly eight more foetal and infant deaths per 1000 births among obese women than among women of the recommended body mass index (BMI). The total (absolute) risk among obese women was 16 in every 1000 births (1.6%) compared to nearly nine per 1000 births (0.9%) in normal weight women. Obese women were categorised as having a BMI of 30 kg/m2 or more, while women of recommended weight had a BMI of between 18.5-24.5 kg/m2.
Dr Ruth Bell, clinical senior lecturer in the Institute of Health and Society at Newcastle University and associate director at the Regional Maternity Survey Office (RMSO), said: ?It?s important to remember that most women in the UK will deliver a healthy live baby, regardless of their weight at the start of pregnancy. What?s key is that women should be helped to achieve a healthy weight before they become pregnant or after the baby is born. Our research shows that this will give the baby the best possible start in life. Women should not try to lose weight during pregnancy, but should ensure they eat a balanced healthy diet.?

The researchers also examined BMI as a continuous variable, discovering a V-shaped pattern of risk, with the lowest risk among women with a BMI of 23, and increased risk at higher and lower BMIs.
Co-author Peter Tennant, research assistant at Newcastle University, said: ?We are the first investigators to examine the continuous relationship between BMI and foetal and infant deaths. Our study suggests the optimal BMI, for the child at least, is somewhere around 23, but further research is needed to confirm this.?
One reason for the increased risk of foetal and infant death in obese women was due to a higher proportion of deaths due to pre-eclampsia, a serious pregnancy complication characterised by high blood pressure and protein in the urine. However deaths due to other causes were also more common in obese women.
Co-author Professor Judith Rankin, professor of maternal and perinatal epidemiology at Newcastle University and academic director at the RMSO, explained: ?There are likely to be a number of reasons why obesity is associated with foetal and infant death and we don?t yet know the full story. For example, there is an increased risk of high blood pressure or diabetes developing during pregnancy. Understanding the risks associated with obesity is helpful for healthcare professionals caring for pregnant women, so that additional monitoring can be provided as necessary.?
The researchers adjusted their results to take account of the mothers? age, ethnicity, smoking status, socioeconomic status, and for the birth weight and gestational age of the babies, and excluded pregnancies where the baby had a congenital anomaly (e.g. spina bifida) or where the mother had a history of diabetes ? both of which are associated with maternal obesity and increase the risks of foetal and infant death.
One limitation, however, was that the study used weight and height information reported by the women and not measured by health professionals. Dr Bell said: ?It is important that all women should have their weight and height measured ? not self reported ? at the start of their pregnancy and that this is recorded in hospital systems.?
The study used information collected routinely during the women's antenatal visits, and so could not examine whether lifestyle factors such as diet, exercise, alcohol and caffeine consumption influenced pregnancy risks.
Concluding their paper, the authors warn: ?Given the rising prevalence of obesity in the population of pregnant women, the rates of miscarriage, stillbirth and infant mortality can be anticipated to increase.? Further research is underway by the team to understand how to reduce these risks.

www.eshre.eu/ESHRE/English/Press-Room/Press-Releases/2011-Press-Releases/page.aspx/1325

WorraLiberty · 29/09/2012 16:12

It's a very logical comparison because both of those things put you and your baby at risk of many things. The main risk is certainly not having a big baby Confused

Obesity increases the risk of premature birth, stillbirth, birth defects, miscarriage, diabetes, pre-eclampsia and lots more.

Also more than half of women who die during pregnancy are overweight or obese.

WorraLiberty · 29/09/2012 16:12

Whoa! X posted with a huge wall of text there Grin

KillerRack · 29/09/2012 16:17

True , but the risks are different that's what I mean, I said that to both of my consultants expecting them to be Shock but they actually agreed.

I don't agree that underweight/overweight women should be treat the same as women who willfully poison their unborn and often lead them to newborn addictions nicotine,alcohol, heroin etc.

I was told the main worry was having to dislocate the babies shoulders if its very big. but I had a 9lb+ er so maybe my main risk is that.

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WorraLiberty · 29/09/2012 16:21

What's the difference in 'willfully' putting your baby at risk due to a nicotine addiction and 'willfully' putting it at risk due to a food addiction?

It's just splitting hairs really given the amount of risks involved for both addictions.

Icelollycraving · 29/09/2012 18:14

I was very conscious of the risks & was as sensible as I could be. I did have a big baby 9.7 dh didn't tell me until I had had ds that when he was born (dh) he'd been 10.10

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