AIBU to think that child tax credits should only be for the very needy rather than just supplementing people's income? Family of 5 down the street with only one part time earner heading off for 2 weeks on holiday. Isn't the govt just subsidising thei...

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Okay the inets
1). It's not your business, or anybodies business who is or isn't on benefits.
2) Thank you for proving my point and judging me on the wine issue.
3) People with disabilities and their carers are allowed the odd treat you know.
4) We're also allowed holidays,.
5) We are targetted by governments (there is a new study by UEA demonstrating that the poor and disabled are in fact suffering significantly more cuts than any other group) and by people like you.
6) I do not have to justify myself to you or anybody else.
7) I do not have the strange working class ethic of not swearing, if I choose to do so, I shall, it neither diminishes my argument nor my status, it does however demonstrate exactly which political spectrum you are allied too, and your socio economic class of origin.

theinets you need to bear in mind how much money every devoted carer like Dawndonna saves the taxpayer by doing what they do. Bloody bargain we're getting. And I think people on benefits should be able to live, not merely survive.

Dawndonna, I wish I could send you a case of wine. Good wine.

theinets, clearly, as intelligent as you are, you don't seem to accept the possibility that people with children can fall on hard times. Redundancy, relationship breakdown. Wow, that could never happen could it? Open your eyes.

Someone tell me why I got sucked in?

Right, got the bread and milk (wine and fags)

inets I have two friends who are lone parents because they decided they wanted their partners to die - selfish people

I decided I wanted my husband of 10 years to leave us for another woman - evil I am

Oh and we wouldn;t 'be reliant' on state hand out if employers paid decent wages - TC give us a living wage nothing more

I also, you know, pay tax a shit - through working - selfish selfish selfish

Goad goad goad. Can't. Be. Bothered.

ooh can you really get lavish cash handouts?
I want some and a goat.
instead of 17 p and hour for being a carer 24/7

it's your own fault gordy, you made him leave you, I made my dd's father eff off and never see her again too. We is evil, evil women

Wow Kelvin McKenzie. You are obviously getting pretty bored stuck at home all the time to be starting inflammatory threads on here!

Don't tell anyone three but a million inch tv and ipad come as standard in council houses....but only if you're claiming some kind of benefit.

You are right Dogs I wanted a goat more than him

did you not get a goat gordy? make a complaint, you are entitled to a goat.

Don't let theinets worry you...she/he/it was posting crap on some thread or other previous to this one....seen it before. Not able to think things through before judging and posting. Forget that one and save yourselves for the intelligent posts.

Yes people can and do fall on hard times.

I love those who judge because they display their ignorance with every post.....as we have seen here.

she/he/it is just well jell because they don't have a free goat?

I'm on benefits now.....after 27 years of working full time...so I hope I count as having paid in!

It's true, I am in a council house (well actually HA), I have a 42 inch flat screen AND an iPad AND a laptop. I even have the temerity to have Broadband.....shocking isn't it?

Yeah it was all here when I moved in...honest. I didn't buy any of it when in full time work.

Not sure when I get a goat though......maybe it comes with the Income Support.

Because vouchers treat people like schoolchildren instead of adults capable of making sound decisions on their own. Having to claim benefits is bad enough without being infantalised as well. And vouchers don't account for odd expenses/items you don't normally have to pay

And believe it or not, just because you're going through a hard time, doesn't mean you have to do without any treats and nice things at all. That's really stupid

I think I'm perhaps one of two single mothers on this thread (along with DameKew) who actually fully put myself in this position. But for the rest, it takes a sperm as well as an egg to make a baby, in case you need to revise some basic biological facts. Oh no wait, fathers are blameless and his problems are all her fault

And yes, I've claimed benefits as a mother. And spent some of it on nice things. And i was fully right to do so, and you would do exactly the same in my position

look! here's a scrounger on his christmas holidays

Somewhere sunny at christmas! Not fair.

Did the OP ever come back?

Or did it just vent because it wants a holiday?

I'd like a holiday too....my benefits don't stretch to it though believe it or not.

I am okay with this though.

And Lilka I agree with everything in your last post. Why should someone be immune from wanting the odd treat just because they are on benefits.

Jake...you have to apply for the goat, they won't tell you that you can have it because it drains taxpayer's money, tis a big secret. But you are entitled to it.

will someone think of the poor goats that are left behind

I think that this - research.dwp.gov.uk/asd/asd1/tbm/tbmt_2009.pdf is the problem. It's the results of research where they look at different family situations, and plug in the numbers for a massive range of income. Scroll down to p63, p96 or p108 for example graphs - basically, because of the way that benefits work, lots of family types earning £500 a week aren't better off than identical families earning £90 a week (that's £4680 a year vs £26000 and for familes with 3 children it can be up to £33000).

You can absolutely see why people get really fed up if they have taken on harder/more difficult/more technical work to earn more money (with Uni debts perhaps), but they aren't compensated for it in real terms. On the other hand, heaven help us all if there isn't a safety net for those of us who fall on hard times. I wish I knew what the solution was!