Too feel devastated for the wife of the teacher who has run off to France with his 15 year old pupil?

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What on earth went through his head when he decided to do this?! The poor woman has taken all her social networks down out of humiliation I presume. link

Crazy.

What is the correct terminology for a man who grrooms a 15 year old girl and has sex with her?

Imo : peadophile but legally he is a 'sex offender'

Given nothing is being released about what went on between them before the disappearance, we do not know what if any grooming went on. I doubt any further information will be released until she is safely back.

Prima facie he is a sex offender (exact offence/s unknown until charges are laid and tested in court).

shame your opinion doesn't change the fact. And its AE not EA.

Euuck. I feel for the wife too.

Re affairs with teachers and pupils, I never get this. I'm probably too naiive but even if there is an attraction, I don't know why you'd risk your job, family hurt, and whole career in teaching, not forgetting the abuse to the pupil. This never happened at any schools I went to, that I got to hear about. It did happen at uni. I think lecturer (guessing early 30s), and student (19) is fine. It still created lots of gossip, but no loss of job. They are now married with two children.

A friend trained as a geography teacher, and moved to a new town for first teaching job. He was about 23 at the time. On his second day in new job, he noticed the pretty girl he'd snogged in a nightclub, a fortnight earlier, was a sixth form student. Fortunately not taking geography a-level.

Apparently she clearly recognised him too, but amazingly never bragged (that he got to hear about). He wasn't sure whether he should admit it to department head, in case there was an issue later on, or keep quiet. He went for the latter. It caused a lot of jibes, as he confided in one friend, who naturally told everyone else. He never went to a nightclub, in this town again, for fear of sixth form students. He didn't like the familiarity.

If this friend had got together with sixth former, after she'd finished her a-levels, then this would have been fine, but he had the common sense to know to keep away from her, when he was a teacher.

Is it a hebephile? I'm not sure without looking it up. It's not in common usage anyway. Sex offender seems fair enough.

Well said, MrSunshine.

"Imo : peadophile but legally he is a 'sex offender'"

Awww does he love peas?

anoldie its "ephebophilia - all explained in wikipedia here

It takes them from 0-18. I had a look at the website

No it doesn't! Bishop Bell is a C of E senior school that takes pupils from 11-16.

The BB's Nursery takes nursery aged children from the local community but it should not be confused with the main school.

Yep said earlier, my mistake. My point was he'll have known her, potentially, from a young age, depending on when he went to work there and when she joined the school. Other than the escaping to France bit, it seems this is my no means an isolated case.

The RME teacher who had a relationship with a 15 year old pupil locally to me had taught the girl since she was 11.

I feel for her family, his missus and all the genuine non-sexual predator teachers up and down the country.

I don't think I have been hysterical have I?
And please - who the hell has heard of those other terms? Who uses them?
I have worked with children for years and never heard them used.

He isn't technically a sex offender either is he? We don't know that they have had sex.

But I don't think anyone is being hysterical for using the term. But then I am not trying to prove how clever I am.

Yet again I am off. I cannot be arsed with the oneupmanship on this thread.

mrsunshine So you think him being a 'sex offender' makes him any better?
Thankyou for correcting me on my spelling mistake, how grown-up of you
I thought this was a thread about a teacher having sex with a 15 year old, not punctuation?

So her being 15 not 13 makes what he did ok then?
I seriously cannot believe that people condone his behaviour

No one is condoning!!!!

You have to be a special kind of moron to read: 15 year old running off with a 30 year old teacher is fucking horrendous on a hundred levels, and is abusive, and illegal, and sickening

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I condone this behaviour and think it perfectly acceptable

If you can neither read nor understand the posts here, you might feel more comfortable in the comments section of the Sun.

Jeez, do you always take everthing so personally, mrsDevere?

And it's not trying to proves oneself to be clever by simply refusing to use incorrect terminology.

Seriously, pumpkin, are you really THAT thick?

Is Nethuns missing a poster this morning?

And for all we know this could have been going on long before she was even 15.
It has already been said its been going on atleast 7 months

Pumpkin, nobody is condoning his behaviour.. show me one poster that is please?

However some of us are not getting hysterically ranty, and also, there is no proof that they have had sex either, an inappropriate relationship certainly, but nobody knows if it has gone further than that.

He was in a position of trust which he had abused, however if their relationship does survive, in a few years time, the age gap will be fairly negligible. There are plenty of posters on here with a 15 year age gap in their relationships.

Many many 15 year old girls across the land are willingly having sex, most of them with boyfriends their own age, some of them with older partners. He should not have let this develop, and is an utter idiot for his actions, but paedophile, no.

BupCakes thankyou for the compliment
I just think what he has done is sick, so that makes me thick

See, THIS is why people should be careful about using words like paeophile^

Pumpkin, my guess is that you're not interested in the meaning of the word paedo. You are just so revolted by this man (as we all are, actually) that you wish to attach the connotations of the word to him to make him sound even more grotesque. You're trying to sensationalise the whole thing. If he'd run away with her on her 16th birthday, we wouldn't even be having this debate. All that we'd be saying is "Eugh a teacher ran off with a pupil. How unprofessional." We wouldn't even be debating the paedophilia issue.

There are many forms of 'sick', pumpkin, but they don't all fall under the umbrella of paedophilia.

The reason it is a good idea to get the terminology correct, and for the whole thing to be played down as much as is possible at the moment (though that seems pretty impossible any more), is that the police want him to let her go home voluntarily.

The don't want a "we are doomed so must take drastic action" scenario to unfold. Which if she thinks he will be tarred and feathered, called names and stuck in jail for the rest of his life will unfortunately be a stronger possibility .

It's such a shame that she (like so many 15 year olds) think that love means grabbing life now. Whereas if he really loved her he would have moved schools long ago and made sure he stayed away from her completely until she was over 16 (or even better, over 18).

The fact that he has justified it all to himself on his nauseating blog makes very sick reading.

Sarah - to clarify the following:

"pan confused how?
In simple terms: you cannot prejudice a trial by discussing matters that would, or have been raised in the course of that trial.
You claim potential contempt on the basis of discussions here as to the pairs previous behaviour. That behaviour would form part of the wider picture in the course of a trial, through admissible evidence. Therefore there is not prejudice. Without prejudice how do you claim contempt?
Re the assertion that the CPS would take into account the interests of the victim (in terms of willingness to prosecute) above this of the public generally, unless the guide for CP's in relation to their two stage test has changed significantly since I prosecuted for them (although I'll concede it has been quite some time!) that is nonsense.

Sarah - you shouldn't be going into 'admissible evidence' etc to tell me I am talking a load of tosh. It's only IF the case is being 'active' eg when there is an arrest can contempt be considered. Where are not here. So I am talking a load of old tosh, but for eniterly more basic reasons than you were saying.

And nowhere was I competing victim and public interest in prosecution. CPS refrain from prosecution all of the time. As a legal bod you really should read stuff properly!

Jeez I'm getting worn out just reading this.

He's not a pedophile.

Why can't some people accept that fact?

I seriously cannot believe that people condone his behaviour

FFS! How many more times do you have to have the same response repeated to you? NOBODY is condoning his behaviour.

Nethuns has definitely lost One of Their Own this morning. Would you like us to draw a nice, simple, map to help get you back there, pumpkin?