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Too feel devastated for the wife of the teacher who has run off to France with his 15 year old pupil?

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chipsandmushypeas · 23/09/2012 17:55

What on earth went through his head when he decided to do this?! The poor woman has taken all her social networks down out of humiliation I presume. link

Crazy.

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LanternFestival · 25/09/2012 11:15

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pumpkinsweetie · 25/09/2012 11:15

Legally he is a peadophile-She is under 16, he is having sex with a minor and he is many years her senior.
She may want to have sex with him, but it doesn't make it right. He was in a position of trust, he should have never have done it.

pumpkinsweetie · 25/09/2012 11:17

And another point i would like to make.
If some of you class him as something other than a peadophile, when does a child become not a childHmm?

Its even worse if she was 14 when it started!

squeakytoy · 25/09/2012 11:18

She certainly looked older than her age on the most recent photo of her that was in the press yesterday.

pumpkinsweetie · 25/09/2012 11:19

squeakytoy The age she 'looked' is irrelevent in this case as the man is her teacher and know she is not over 16!

Pandemoniaa · 25/09/2012 11:20

Legally he is a peadophile

Haven't we thrown out this (wrongly spelled) premise some pages back?

squeakytoy · 25/09/2012 11:21

It isnt irrelevant. paedophiles are sexually attracted to young children, who look like children, who look young. The man is in the wrong, but he is not a paedophile.

MrSunshine · 25/09/2012 11:22

It's not us that class him as not a paedophile, its the ENGLISH LANGUAGE. (via Greek) Hmm

pumpkinsweetie · 25/09/2012 11:22

Fgs it is illegal to have sexual intercourse with someone under 16.
I cannot believe people are putting the needs of this teacher over the welfare over an impressionable young Girl.

OrangeandGoldMrsDeVere · 25/09/2012 11:22

Were the men in Bradford not referred to as peadophiles?
Their target age group were 13+

I don't think we should get into comparisons of worse types of child abuse tbh.

Abuse is abuse and there has certainly been grooming going on here. The moment he did NOT rebuff her (if she made a move on him and we have nothing to say that she did), he began grooming her.

pumpkinsweetie · 25/09/2012 11:23

But what is the cut-off age a girl would have to be for him not to be a peadophile.
10,11,12,13Confused
He is a peadophile pure and simple whether people want to hear it or not.

Pandemoniaa · 25/09/2012 11:25

I'd like to think that some posters are using the classification of "paedophile" based on their linguistic expertise and knowledge of the roots of language.

In reality, I suspect we are actually firmly in "discusting peedo" territory. Which, in the context of this case, does more to confuse the issue than attempt to make sense of it.

pumpkinsweetie · 25/09/2012 11:25

Exactly Orange-That is the point i was trying to make!

squeakytoy · 25/09/2012 11:26

No pumpkin, he isnt.

Pandemoniaa · 25/09/2012 11:26

I cannot believe people are putting the needs of this teacher over the welfare over an impressionable young Girl.

Wildly erroneous assumptions are no help either. Nobody has suggested that the teacher's needs take priority over the girl.

FreudiansGoldSlipper · 25/09/2012 11:27

It is irrelevant how old she looks she is a child and she was a child in his care. This is part of the attraction she is vulnerable he is in a position of power her looking older, being mature is a non issue the so called relationship can never be equal and all relationships should be equal. This is abuse of a child even if she was willing to go along with it and abuse of power

RumbleGreen · 25/09/2012 11:27

I always thought paedophile refered to attraction to pre-pubescent children.

scaevola · 25/09/2012 11:28

The cut-off is puberty. The pictures of the missing girl show she is definitely not pre-pubescent in appearance.

MrSunshine · 25/09/2012 11:29

paedophile= pre-pubescent children. Get a dictionary. He is not a paedophile. He doesn't need an extra, wrong, label, he is already a sex offender. If you can't spell it and you don't know the definition, don't use the word.

It's not about one is worse than another, its about hyperbole and halftruths getting in the way of facts.

AnOldieButNotSoGoody · 25/09/2012 11:29

All this stuff of ' he's not a paedophile ' sounds like you're making excuses for him.

Can there be any excuse for a man to groom a 15 year old girl and take her away from her parents and presumably have sex with her?

Technically he might not be a ' peedo ' but it's not normal to lust after a school girl.

pumpkinsweetie · 25/09/2012 11:30

But how do we know she has started puberty? And even if she has, it doesn't bare no meaning on the fact he is abusing a minor and someone in his trust.

AnOldieButNotSoGoody · 25/09/2012 11:32

Are you a man mrsunshine?

Pandemoniaa · 25/09/2012 11:33

Well said MrSunshine. Not that it'll stop the "Burn the Peedo" Campaign in their tracks of course.

squeakytoy · 25/09/2012 11:35

"But how do we know she has started puberty?"

Unless the photo has been photoshopped, she appears to have breasts and a cleavage.. which unless I am mistaken, is a fairly sure indication that she has reached puberty, and I am also fairly sure that most 15 year olds are well past puberty too.

pumpkinsweetie · 25/09/2012 11:35

Whatever the definition, he was a teacher.
A man entrusted to teach his pupils, not have sex with them.
Imagine if this was your 15yo daughter who had run of with an old man, would you not be worried for her safety and be sickened by this mans actions?