to ask how you feel about Scottish Independence?

[PierreBourdieu]

Particularly looking for opinions from South of the Border, but all opinions welcome. My FB is awash with Independence fever after the rally in Edinburgh yesterday. As a Scotwoman I am always interested to hear the views of the English and get that perspective. I'll not disclose whether I'm pro or anti as I suppose it's not relevant here, also not looking for a bunfight! Care to share?

English here and not fussed what Scotland does.

Well that's what debate is all about. In regards to subsidy, the figures are public, I'm not making up random shit. For the past 7 years Scotland has paid more in taxes to the treasury than it has taken out via the Barnett formula.

x posts. Shouting in response to subsidy allegations. Observations in regard to other nations disliking the English whilst embracing the Scots.

The bbc's economics editor disagrees

The English are either moustache twirling caddish aristos or beer guzzling hooligans, is that what you mean?

And the Scottish are all . . . . . . . . quiet, sober, Calvinists?

Clichés are for the weak minded.

londonone, I'd say culture rather than ethos. The ethos might underpin our culture, but it's more than just an ethos.

Hey I didn't say ethos!

Scotland would take on its share of the national debt - I don't think that has ever been questioned?

As for the who subsidises who argument, tbh I think it is too close to call, and therefore a bit of a non argument really.

It somehow doesn't seem fair that someone who has aligned themselves with a different country should be in a position to have a say in the policies of another.

For the first question I wasn't asking if they where legally allowed to stay but whether having voted for independence they will be going to live in Scotland. Sort of will Sean Connery be moving back to Scotland when it gains independence?

I think the money thing is a bit of a red herring, one of the major factors will be at what rate the Scottish government can borrow money, what sor of credit rating will they get?

Sean Connery won't be entitled to vote.

I have seen some people who would move back given independence, and some others who would leave. I have seen some making preparations to move back now so that they are able to vote.

So what do the scots say to giving the English a say in whether we would like the union broken? Surely by its very nature a union is a two way street. We should get a say as we'll. mr salmond's greatest allies live in the south east of England I expect who would be glad to see the back of the scots

How come it seems ok to say 'good riddance' and 'see the back of the Scots'? I find that quite racist actually.

But the whole reason some Scots want out is because currently what we vote has no impact whatsoever on Westminster, and the same would apply if the rest of the UK voted at the referendum.

Plus, I have nowhere seen it suggested that Scotland leaving would be to the detriment of the Union, in fact the opposite has been suggested.

Probably for the same reason you think it's ok to say that it's a fact that "foreigners" dislike the English!

BitOutOfPractice

Wouldn't it be a case of asking England if England wants to break away from union rather than asking England if Scotland should be allowed to ?

I think the latter might be a bit troublesome, but the former sounds fair enough, on the surface at least.

Wierd how little I care. It matters more to me that people don't get to smash Italy up into peices again.

EKK! Think I may have acidentally assimilated.

But that IS my experience.

Pierre please clarify why you think people of other nationalities adore the Scots and dislike the English?

BoneyBack, no-one living outside of Scotland, whether Scots-born or not, will have a vote in the referendum. Only those on the electoral roll in Scotland.

Please stop making assumptions about what I said. I merely suggested that in MY PERSONAL experience, and I am very well travelled, I have met and conversed with many people of varying nationalities who have expressed disdain for the English. I am not condoning it or saying it's ok. It's just my experience. Personally I have no gripe with English people WHATSOEVER, it's just an observation, one I never claimed I could explain.

I agree with Bit.I suspect the vast maj or English would want the split and are utterly bored/bemused by the English bashing.

I also sadly suspect many of the Scots vigorously campaigning for a split want the English to actually care a lot more about the whole thing than they do in reality.

Well then you need to say its your opinion then don't you, rather than its a fact!
Though I really don't care at all, I was just pointing out your slight hypocrisy!

And it's MY experience that the English are getting increasingly fed up of the scots and wouldn't be crying into their beer if they left the union.

And tbh Pierre you are not doing much to change my mind about that. Ok for you t o make sweeping generalisations about the English I see!

Think of the Union as a marriage. One spouse, either spouse, may seek divorce. The other cannot prevent divorce happening, though they can be fussy about finances and so on, and delay matters.

But if one partner wants out, the relationship is over.

So if the Scots vote for independence, the rest of the UK can't stop it.

Errrr Pierre I don't know if you're aware but many foreigners aren't actually aware that the Scottish and English are actually separate so lord knows where you get your experience from.I've certainly never come across it in my travels.