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to keep my dd out of school until they sort out the bullying?

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ddbullied · 22/09/2012 18:45

DD is 12 years old and in her last year in primary school. She has been bullied for over four years now and nothing productive or preventative has been done to stop it in the longterm. They lay off for a few days but it all boils back up again when the storm blows over in a matter of days.

The most recent thing is exclusion by the whole class without sayin why so rather than have her go through every break time on her own I've removed her from the school, lost the plot with the principal (who I've been calm with for four years!) and told him he fixes it or I'm going to take it to the police, the health authority and the national papers.

Here is what she has endured during those years:

*property has been emptied from her bag onto the floor

*she hung her coat every morning - every lunchtime it was on the floor

*constant nasty comments and names regarding her appearance - she had prominent ears and
teeth but has had corrective surgery and now wears braces

*property stolen

*property damaged/defaced

*nasty remarks written about her on the desks and on the walls and doors in the bathrooms

*Her clothes have been written on and uncapped markers left in her pockets staining them.

*she was hit so hard on the head with a pencilcase it broke her hairband in half

*her lunch has been taken from her in front of her while the child taking it laughed at her daring her to challenge

*she is hassled for her lunch and called names when she refuses

*she has been set up to be riduculed - pretending to be her friend and laughing at her when she falls for it

*lies told about her to other children to turn them against her

*they have told lies about me so the other children will not play with her because her mum is horrible (Thankfully proven to be a lie now, devastating at the time and even when the truth was outed she was isolated for getting the other child in trouble)

*Treated far more roughly in a game than the other children but ridiculed because 'everybody else can take it' even though she has been physically hurt)

*her hair ties have been pulled from her hair and disgarded

*physical/verbal threats but when she stands up to it the whole class take the side of the bully

*whispering/sniggering while pointing at her

*kicked/pinched/pushed to the ground 'in the game'

*ridiculed at sport

*isolated and ignored during break times/walked away from when she asks why

*lies told to her best friend to turn her against her

*cyberbullying/prank phonecalls calling her names

These are only what I can think of off the top of my head. It has been relentless. We obviously wanted to move dd to a different school long ago but she won't have any of it because of the friends she does have and also because the secondary school she'll be going to will be attended by all of them anyway so she feels better not to leave and then have to return next year and face them again anyway. I also feel it would be a further punishment, making her suffer the loss of friendships, a final blow from the bullies. The other parents refuse to believe their angels are doing anything and that dd is misunderstanding them!

I've recently found that dd has searched suicide on the internet and been asking me about death and what happens when people die. I'm scared out of my wits.

I want to keep her out of school until something official is done but dd is so far behind the rest of the class academically that I'm worried the time out will only make things worse and increase the gap so much that she will have to repeat giving more fuel to the bullies who taunt her for being 'stupid'.

What would you do? Send her back and hope that the principal will do his job this time even though he has let us all down on several occasions in the past or keep her out and try to keep up with the work at home which won't always be supervised because we'll both have to work and she'll be with grandparents who won't be able to assist like we would.

Mil has just walked in, better go make her a cup of tea. Be back shortly.

OP posts:
Blackberrybush · 22/09/2012 19:21

So sorry for your DD! Remove her, a year without bullying will be better than nothing. Secondaries are usually tougher on bullying than primaries, they take it more seriously.

MrsRochestersCat · 22/09/2012 19:21

My DD2 did not want to leave her "friends" either (she too had the whole class ignoring her, whole class games that aimed to ridicule her etc etc). It transpired that she was afraid to step in to a new class with the same behaviours, but with the added disadvantage of not knowing who to avoid at all costs and who is 'OK' occasionally (better the devil you know than the devil you don't)

IslaValargeone · 22/09/2012 19:21

Where are her friends in all this?
It seems odd that she is enduring everything you have posted and yet she doesn't want to leave?
I wouldn't hesitate to remove her, I removed my dc due to bullying and I didn't let it go on for four years.

3littlefrogs · 22/09/2012 19:23

I wonder if, after 4 years of this, there is some kind of Stockholme Syndrome going on?

JamieandtheMagicTorch · 22/09/2012 19:24

I agree Blackberry. A good year can go some way to redressing the balance.

MrsRochestersCat · 22/09/2012 19:25

www.redballoonlearner.co.uk/ they have online lessons now too it seems. These people are amazing - without Red Balloon DD2 would be a wreck now.

JamieandtheMagicTorch · 22/09/2012 19:25

I imagine that after 4 years, she has no confidence in her ability to make any changes or have good relationships with anyone new. She probably thinks it's her fault, even if other people have told her otherwise

MrsRochestersCat · 22/09/2012 19:31

That is a fantastic description of what happened to my DD Jamie

sleepychunky · 22/09/2012 19:32

OP, I'm so sorry to hear about this. Can I suggest that you get in touch with Kidscape as they will be able to help. There is loads of information on their website about steps you can take both with the school and with your DD, and a parent's helpline you can ring on Monday. This is completely unacceptable behaviour from the school and it needs to get sorted. I can imagine that your DD has got no trust in anybody to be her friend (trust me, I've been there and know what it's like) and her self-esteem has probably plummeted. She doesn't deserve this, and nor do you. Kidscape run free courses for children who are being bullied - ZAP - and they really can help both the child and the parent.
Good luck and please update

JamieandtheMagicTorch · 22/09/2012 19:34

MrsRochester

I know because it's what happened to my Ds, after 2 years of what would probably be classed as relatively mild bullying. I didn't recognise it for what it was - in some ways, physical stuff is easier to deal with.
Sad

I would not tolerate a moment of bullying now, and luckily his Secondary is known for its pastoral care

JamieandtheMagicTorch · 22/09/2012 19:38

I must emphasise that my school was gat at dealing with dss bullying, and the child who was leading it. The problem was in him not telling me, me not taking it seriously,

StrawberryMojito · 22/09/2012 19:38

She needs to go to a different secondary school, whether she thinks she wants it or not, she needs a fresh start away from these children. You can't risk her going through another 5-7 years of this.

JamieandtheMagicTorch · 22/09/2012 19:38

Good at

SkippyYourFriendEverTrue · 22/09/2012 19:39

Could someone explain to me a 12 year old being in Primary School? Is this Scotland?

JamieandtheMagicTorch · 22/09/2012 19:40

Yes, wondered that myself earlier skippy

Chandon · 22/09/2012 19:41

do move her. not all schools are like this. She can stay in touch with her "friends" (who don't stand up for her?!)

I moved my son, only once he got so badly beaten I could not sleep at night for the blood was boiling in my veins (I guess yours is too). Our HT was crap. Long story short: We moved.

I found that a good HT, with a realistic yet effective strategy to deal with bullying counts for more than 10 Ofsteds.

It can't be the only school? It can't be the only secondary?

Themumsnot · 22/09/2012 19:43

OP could be in Ireland. It wouldn't surprise me one bit, based on my experience of Irish schools.

JamieandtheMagicTorch · 22/09/2012 19:44

Just looked it up, could be Scotland

Sokmonsta · 22/09/2012 19:56

For her sake and yours remove her from the school immediately and until an action plan can be put in place to protect her. I was bullied relentlessly for 5 years at secondary so I can't see it getting any better if she has to go to secondary with them. As she is showing an interest in suicide I would take her to the gp for their support too. You will need all that you can get.

My secondary school were notorious for trotting out the line 'but they were bullied at their last school'. No one deserves to be made to feel everything would be better if they weren't there, to be treated with so little regard that they have no self-esteem. I would be up the school every day asking questions as to why this happened, what action was taken, why it continues. I would be putting follow ups in writing to reinforce that discussion and would be consulting their anti-bullying policy to ensure they were doing everything in their power to ensure my child felt safe in an environment where I couldn't protect them all the time. But that is just me and based on personal experience.

ddubsgirl · 22/09/2012 20:00

op i pulled ds1 out of his school due to being bullied,we did a managed move,i called ed walfare and they agreed with me,school threathend me with court but i stuck to my guns and altho he was off 3 months we got him into new school,he was for a term still on the old schools books until new school agreed to keep him there and we havent looked back,not saying its been perfect but its the way the school deals with things and keeping in touch with me.

FiteFuaite · 22/09/2012 20:01

It could also be Ireland.Ds2 is in his last year of primary and is 12. Does it matter where it is? Confused

I have found that the only way to 'force' a school to deal with bullying is to threaten with bad publicity. I wrote numerous letters and involved lots of local 'supporters',for want of a better word and their (public) involvement seemed to be the thing that finally forced the Principal to exclude the bully. The bully's mum and dad are/were great friends with the Principal,they lived next door to him and regularly played golf together so I could see why the Principal was loathe to get tough with their son but in the end,it was taken out of his hands,more or less. I live in a very small community and that's probably why it worked for us,not saying that it could work for everyone,though.

RedHelenB · 22/09/2012 20:07

I would move her definitely. 4 years is a long time - what did the class teachers & head say about all these incidents when you went in? Has she friends out of school through extra curricular activities?

mumofthemonsters808 · 22/09/2012 20:07

Before any more damage is done I would change her school and opt for a different secondary school regardless of your daughter's request. So sorry to hear about this experience, the school should be ashamed to have allowed this crual vile behaviour to have esculated, your poor girl.

expatinscotland · 22/09/2012 20:13

There is zero way I'd have this go on for FOUR years.

But since it has, yep, I'd pull her out and move.

Fishwife1949 · 22/09/2012 20:13

Hi op my child was bullied so bad he was diganosed with deprssion and we found a note from him saying he wanted to die and this all came to a head in year 6 when they went on a school trip down the river and some of the bullys tried to push him off the boat and drown him

What we di is this

  1. Write a letter out lineing what the issues are
  2. Name bullys
  3. Give a time frame of when you want it sorted out by (a week is long enough)
4.ask to be sent there anti bullying policy
  1. Make it clear after the time frame expires and if nothing has happend a copy of the ketter you sent the head followed by the steps that have not been taken and a copy of the anti bullying policy will be sent to the following

Local education authority
Ofsted
Department of edcation
Local mp
Local social services

After years of bullying and fuck all being done we sent this letter and things were sorted with in 3 days the boys were banned from prom and going on the year 6 trip and the money they had paid not refuned A letter was also sent onto their high school

Good luck