To be deeply puzzled by competitive anti- feminism.......

[seeker]

"I'm not a feminist"

"oh, I'm so much less of a feminist than you are"

"I'm so not a femynyst I don't even know how to spell it"

If you described someone in the office as "that boy" over there - to describe a man, then that would be kind of strange.

But if you said "he's out with the boys" - that would be perfectly acceptable.

Context is everything.

Now off for a girl's night out :)

I would probably say 'young woman' at 18.
But I am old indeed.
I wouldn't use young girl for anyone who was obviously over 18 in spite of my aforementioned gimmerhood.

If anyone had walked into my department and said 'yes, mrs Pagwatch is the young girl the office over there' I would have assumed they had taken leave of their senses. In spite of my being pert and high heeled and youthful looking.
Because it implies a lack of professionalism and gravitas.

But I m clever . I manage to pull off pert gravitas. Not many of you would manage
[sadface]

I read that as "I managed to pull off a pet gravitas" and I thought HOW RUDE! and then I thought HUH?

I get referred to as "the girl in the office". But then again my boss once asked me if I took money for blow jobs so I'm not in the most enlightened woork environment.

Will you still say girl when you're 70?

You do realise that you are actually using the word incorrectly? Girl does not mean 30 year old woman any more than it means office chair.

Ah Shirty.
My first ever boss asked me on my first day if I would ave sex in a shower with him.

My pets have no gravitas. They only even look serious when licking their penises.

Will you still say girl when you're 70?

My mum is almost 70 and she does refer to herself and her female friends collectively as 'the girls' at times. I think it's fairly common in that generation at least.

Thing is, you can say 'I call myself a girl/I think of myself as a girl' and that's grand. I dislike all the 'here come the girls' bollocks but I may have referred to myself as 'the type of girl who likes a good martini'. It's perhaps a step away from the professional context.

But to say 'I AM a young girl' at thirty-something is not stating a fact and sounds a little bit odd, tbh. And I say that as someone who is 33 and with a vagina. Not a pert vagina, brimming with gravitas, like Paggy, but a vagina that makes me female none the less.

at Sue

That's so weird Sue, I had just written a post ranting about Here come the girls and P&G and I deleted it for being irrelevant.

ooooo. That sounds like a proper snidey dig.

Why am I unable to get Vikki (i'm sure she spells it like that- probably with a little heart for a dot over the i) Tucker out of my mind?

If you say I AM a young girl at 30, frankly you belong in Whatever Happened to Baby Jane.

Nicely put Sue.

I may be odd, still referring to myself as girl sometimes when I'm about to turn 28, but there's a lot odd about me and that fact that I use girl in reference to my gender rather than female or woman isn't the biggest of my worries.

Also how do you know if you have a pert vagina? Which bit should be pert?

I had a boss that asked me out when I was a young woman.

I knew his wife.

I said, Will your wife be coming with us?

He sacked me.

The flappy bits

Hah, Shirty so I am irrelevant, eh? Not very sisterly, are you?

I'm not sure we agree though Punk (though thank you kindly) - I am Not Happy about the use of girl in a professional context at all. Happens to me, see? I was just remarking that the posters who are insisting I AM A GIRL are perhaps a leeeetle bit wistful. Or something.

I AM a YOUNG GIRL I AM

My OH showed me this thread in disbelief after showing me the previous (police statements thread) also in disbelief [tangent: we both have friends in GMP who were shown that thread by colleagues, were offended and instructed not to post in reply.]

I am a late-thirties bloke, middle management level, kids etc. I went into a new client last week and prior to a meeting with one of the female directors I made us both a cup of tea whilst he was gathering the other attendees. She was 15-20 years older than me.

At the start of the meeting the female director introduced me to one of her management team with "We've brought this young lad XXX in from YYY to help us do ZZZ. As well as doing ZZZ he makes a cracking brew!".

I found her friendly, easy to work with and we've built up an effective relationship over the last few days.

Clearly I should have felt patronised, lodged a complaint with HR, grabbed myself a load of their buns etc...

I genuinely don't understand how keen women here are to belittle/undermine each other and ram their views down the throats of others. After an entire thread on the subject (resulting in a range of views) 'seeker' has again said "no-one genuinely believes x though do they?".

It's a blindness to the breadth of views out there which results in fragmentation rather than consolidation in a world where gender equality has a long way to go. Given some of the 'bigger' fish out there as gender equality issues I wonder whether alienating people like this is counter-productive?

See that pic ^^ Young Girl Wannabees?

THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE THINKING ABOUT YOU

Ah everyone has flappy bits Shirty, my DP has worked out he can do that thing where he flaps his penis back and forth while walking towards me, he needs a wider gait but it can be done. Just wait till I do it back!

And when I say wistful, I mean deluded

TLDR

Sue I didn't say we agreed, I simply said you had a good point. We clearly don't agree but I can see where you're coming from IYSWIM?