to think that there is NEVER an acceptable reason to call a 32 year old woman a "young girl?"

[Hullygully]

No I'm not.

I couldn't care less what emotive flannel is flung about.

IT. IS.NOT.ACCEPTABLE.

The end.

Birds we said way up there ^ that of course parents talk of their children thus.

Do RTFT

It is common in the Manchester area to use that term.

'The Liverpool football team are playing with young boys' was what DH told me. I was like WTF is it on BBC news?!

I hope someone is going to acknowledge/comment on Birds long, insightful and very relevant comment on the previous page.

whqt family and close friends say is up to them.

This was a quote from friends, though, he had just come from taking a selection of their thoughts and feelings.

And as said there was good reason to have these women seen as young women, not as police.

So when there was a state of deaths of soldiers from Merseyside and he Liverpool Echo's front page asked "Is it time to bring our boys home?"

Why was there not an outcry?

Perhaps if the headline had been 'it's time to bring our young boys home' there might have been

And the press is not a senior official spokesman for an organisation.

seeker neither was the person who referred to the dead officers as "young girls". He was the spokesperson for the families.

If the language that was used hadn't of been, there would be much more celebrations going on over these two deaths.

There now isn't, people will think twice about helping in the movement of anything to do with the killer and his crimes (these are not his only victims).

Job done, really, even if a few are not happy, tbh, the target audience wasn't Feminist MN posters.

Those of us that do understand why this was put across as it was, whilst still understanding the importance of language, will come to the conclusion that the right decision was made.

The rise in gun crime and the availability of guns is connected to letting this one go and is a real concern.

And the press is not a senior official spokesman for an organisation.

seeker neither was the person who referred to the dead officers as "young girls". He was the spokesperson for the families.

Why have you ignored this on every thread/post about this?

Birds

I'm afraid I don't know where to start

So I won't

Ian Hanson, chairman of the Greater Manchester Police Federation, said: "What we've got are two young girls who went out this morning and they've got an absolute right to come home to their loved ones.

"This is cold-blooded murder, the slaughter of the innocents."

He is NOT the spokesperson for the young girls' families.

Wasn't he acting as the families liaison officer, though? I get odd media coverage here, a mix of US, UK and international media, so might have got it completely wrong, but that's how he was being reported on the bulletins I was watching.

I may well be wrong, of course. As I said, we get very odd media coverage here.

And if I am wrong, of course he should have been more careful about the language he used.

But I still understand that sometimes people are less than perfect in trying circumstances.

Even if it was the CC, Birds has given a very valid reason why those specific words were chosen to describe these police officers.

There was a piece on News Night last night about the fear people are living in because of gun crime. It was horrific.

No, he wasn't.

And it was Sir Peter Fahy who said the "chatterbox" stuff.

Don't be ridiculous QLB

Calling two profeesional officers "young girls" is not going to make anyone put down a gun.

Especially as everyone knows they aren't.

Don't try to make up new, even more specious, reasons to defend the indefensible.

He wasn't the spokesman for the families. And evening he was, those words were not quotations from the family. They only way they could be remotely acceptable is if they were. And they weren't.

Even if. Not evening.

My mum does that. Prove her wrong and she goes, well, anyway, it's just so terrible, bluster bluster, I just think...

Defend the indefensible? I'm sorry, are you talking about a few words used to describe the two officers? Or the horrific crime that was committed?

That's funny, Hully, Seeker was proved wrong on the original thread and did the exact same thing..............

The first.

The murder is irrelevant.

For the eleventh billion million time.

Look at the thread title.