To HATE the word cupcake?!

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What's with the use of the word 'cupcake' everywhere now?! It's not a cupcake. It's a fecking bun. With fancy icing on it.
Sorry, just needed to get that off my chest!

The WI is wrong? My whole world is collapsing around me .

stealth I thought that stealth. Ive never said buns for a cake, I'm from Wigan. A bun to me is a bread roll (like a barm) or one of them iced bun things

You get boy fairies too peshwarinaan! Cup as a description is far too utilitarian for my tastes. Which is very much at odds with its Liberace like appearance.

p.s. I do love a peshawri naan. Yum.

sqoosh - good to know! I'm uncomfortable calling them fairy cakes, I guess it just sounds a bit frou frou to me?

I also love a good peshwari naan - hence the name!

stealth - yes it is.

the WI has misnamed it.

I am in the WI, you know.

no one cares about correct terminology these days.

Heck, 7 pages so far - what have I started?! Clearly it's a contentious issue. Oh, and if you say buns are bread products, well yes they are - but in that case you say bread buns!
Bread buns, and plain old buns for the cakey variety.
End of. so there

Goodness. The vehemence on this thread is terrifying (particularly for an American living in the UK...)

On that note, I'm off to make the only thing that I can think of that is totally safe: a batch of bran muffins. Everything else seems to be fraught with nominative difficulties!

PeshwariNaan

It's called a fairy cake because it's light in texture.

sorry Xiao i get carried away with the sponge argument

Don't get me started on muffins!

yanbu op!! 100% behind you IT'S A BUN!!

You love 'em really! How else can you have cake healthy baked goods for breakfast?

and as for a bread roll well that a breadcake in this house

And that would be a bunny in our house McF

Just done a comprehensive search of all my baking books I have tons, including history of baking books plus the internet, plus asked my mum .

All of these sources state that sponge cakes can be made using TWO methods - the foam (i.e. nearly fatless) method or the batter method. The batter method is the traditional british method of creaming butter with sugar. I don't know where the idea that a Victoria Sandwich is not a sponge cake has come from.

A proper Genoese sponge also apparently contains a small amount of melted butter added at the end. Madeleine cakes are a variant of genoese sponge, I always add melted butter to them after whipping the shit* out of the eggs and sugar.

*Technical term

Sorry nickel. You're wrong. But I like the fact that you are completely secure and convincing in your wrongness .

Sorry nickel. You're wrong

See? I told you

To make a creamed cake (the old fashioned way) take two eggs then equal weight of butter,sugar and flour and make as described previously.

www.netmums.com/family-food/recipes/a-z-of-family-recipes/victoria-sponge

Clearly net mums is my true home!

Thak you Scrambled.

I can sleep easy tonight knowing that it is acceptable for my sponge cakes to contain butter.

FFs - I have always known this. Why have I been railroaded into thinking otherwise?

i'm not wrong.
i have also done lots of research into this matter.

if it has butter, it is a creamed cake - it has a proper definition.
if it is a sponge, it doesn't have butter in it.

i have 3 lovely 1950s recipe books that define using my definition.
and good housekeeping that does.

and one from the turn of the 19th century.

Enough already!! you are SO wrong

I am off to make a Lemon SPONGE, I will think of you while I beat in the butter

see, netmums says sponge - what more proof that it's wrong can you need ??