To be angry that the Chief Constable chose the words..

[seeker]

"gentle" and "a chatterbox" respectively to describe the two women police officers who were murdered on duty yesterday.

Can you imagine those words ever being used to describe a man?

'Yes squeaky, it tells me that they need their consciousness raised.'

My consciousness has been raised. Not quite in the way it was intended to be though.

squeaky you're happy to be described as a girl.

What would make me happy would be if people like you would stop saying I should be too.

It's suits you then to ignore her last post where she confirms that she, as a serving police office, does think there is a discussion to be had.

And the consensus is that the thread was started because the OP wanted a fight ?

A lot of low opinions of others flying around here

In general squeaky women are paid less than men.

There is currently a big hoo-ha about the way men in the force treat not just serving women, but women outside the force that they come into contact with in the course of their work.

There is a culture in the police that needs challenging, that is widely acknowledged. The language used by those high up in the hierarchy both reflects that attitude and sends a clear signal to the ranks that it is ok.

And it would really help if you took the emotion out.

MEN are KILLED in Afghanistan everyday, that doesn't mean we can't discuss troop deployment.

It's suits you then to ignore her last post where she confirms that she, as a serving police office, does think there is a discussion to be had.

And it suits you then to ignore her last post where she said But not on this thread

Streuth! How hypocritical can you get?

Hullygully Thu 20-Sep-12 12:43:47
The debate AROSE from the words used to describe female professionals in this specific instance.

Indeed.
And the way the OP was phrased, and the forum in which it was raised were chosen

I fail to see why you are unable to grasp that fairly straightforward point.

That's veering close to the line... I have explained in different words what I feel is the issue. I fail to see why you are unable to grasp that fairly straightforward point

The "success" or otherwise is to be judged how?

Ask the person who chose to make the post where they did.

If we take emotions out of situations,we become like robots.
Not feeling,not caring,not humanising,not loving,not putting ourselves in other peoples shoes,not being senstive,not adjusting ourselves to different situations.

Not hypocritical at all. Sorry but there are a number of posters who did wish to discuss this. Women trying to shut women up sits uncomfortably with me.

Clearly.

No amillion, we feel and acknowledge our feelings, but are also able to put them to one side in order to engage in rational debate. That is what separates us from the purely instinctive.

amillionyears

I think Hully's point is that we can both emotional and critical/analytical/probing

be both emotional and critical, sorry

yes

But there are times and places to put emotions aside,and this is surely one of them.
Like another poster has said,this thread would have been perfectly acceptable to debate in a few weeks time,but sooo not now.

Oh well, we'll have to agree to differ!

I think I mean this is not the time to put aside emotions.
I am trying to say that the time for rational debate on this is sooo not now.

Agree to differ.

Your point is interesting though in the sense that the emotion chiefly raised in me was anger at the unprofessional description of the two police officers!

Because I thought they deserved more and better than to be infantilised as "young girls"

So I guess it's all more complicated than ever.

But why can't the issue of language be discussed without attacking individuals? It is what people have been suggesting All The Way Through this thread. Why not just do that, instead of telling one's opponents that they're too hysterical emotional to debate?

Why take bits of SharonGless's highly reasonable post out of context for the sake of it?

This is why I think it's much more interesting to have a civilised PARD debate than just hurl insults around.

I agree the timing was insensitive, I said this a few pages ago, and I know this has genuinely upset some posters.

But I think the debate is legitimate.

And debates about female police offers are already taking place in the media today.

Furthermore, I don't think Seeker is an offensive poster. And I don't think she or anyone else should be demonised or shut down for their views on this.

I don't even think the timing was insensitive, I honestly can't see why.

And I agree about seeker, she is an honourable and rational poster.

blistory what you did with that post was something like this:
Father: you can play football in the garden.

Daughter: but you said I could play football!