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To think rape should not be considered a form of sex

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CailinDana · 23/08/2012 16:10

In my mind, sex is a caring act completed between two people who are comfortable with each other. It involves an understanding about what each other likes and dislikes, and a constant awareness of each other, so that if one partner starts to feel uncomfortable the other picks up on that and checks what the matter is, and stops if needs be.

The impression given by media discussions about rape is that sex is something a woman either agrees to or doesn't agree to. The issue of consent is contentious because it is not the experience of most people who have had normal sexual contact that there is agreement or disagreement, it is just a constant process where through body language, eye contact, verbalisations (not necessarily words), physical response and laughter you and your partner send each other signals that everything is ok or not ok. A person who genuinely wants to engage in sex will want to do so only if their partner is responding positively, as for a non-rapist that is the main reward and turn-on in sex. Without that response, most normal people would feel deflated (literally or figuratively!) and not be able to continue. It's not a matter of "yes" or "no," it's a matter of ongoing mutual respect where each partner is highly aware of the others' state of mind at all times. In a caring situation such as this, the likelihood that you will go ahead and do something that your partner really doesn't want or like is very low - you will see straight away that they are not happy and you will stop.

Rape is not sex. It is not a caring act. Just as stealing is not a form of borrowing, rape is not a form of sex. It is a denial of the other person's right to have control over their own body, and any level of that denial - whether it be holding the person down, or not stopping half way through sex because they were enthusiastic to begin with - turns the act from sex into rape. Once the sense of awareness of the partner is gone, sex ceases to happen.

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Tempernillo · 23/08/2012 23:43

Not flamed as such, but I thought some would argue it was consensual, that I put myself in a dangerous situation etc etc, and I really din't think I could have coped with that, as it would have reinforced all the negative thoughts I had about myself, so I decided it would be safer not to. You know what mn can be like sometimes! But the subject of this thread obviously resonated with me so I decided to be brave! Grin

CailinDana · 24/08/2012 00:01

Glad you did :) What I would hope for our daughters is that in that situation a girl would think "fuck this prick, I'm going to call the police!" or at least if the rape did happen she would feel able to tell someone right away be believed and helped to bring to a prosecution.

Too many women end up in the situation you have been in - blaming themselves, feeling ashamed, unable to tell the perpetrator to fuck off (remaining in contact with a rapist is very common), and fearful of what others might think.

You were flattered by an older guy whom you trusted. You had every right to go wherever you want to with him. Normal people go places together and have a laugh. You had the very bad luck to end up with a rapist rather than a normal person. You couldn't have known that in advance. None of that was your fault.

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Tempernillo · 24/08/2012 00:07

Thank you for that. I look back and regret not at least confiding in someone. But I know that if I had gone to the police it would have been unlikely to result in a conviction, I went to a hotel with him, and did in the end say "yes" to sex.

I wish I had had the balls to tell him to fuck off. I would now!

CailinDana · 24/08/2012 00:10

I'm still in contact with the guy who raped me, just on facebook. He messages me from time to time. I haven't ever confronted him about what he did. It's a very complicated situation (involving other friends etc) and sometimes I do feel like just letting rip at him but I don't trust him not to destroy other, precious friendships. So I say nothing as it's the easier thing.

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Tempernillo · 24/08/2012 00:33

That is horrible Cailin. SadI can't even remember my guy's name, think I must have blocked it out, but that also contributes to the shame. I have "slept with" a guy whose name I can't remember.

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