Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to think that my Mother is manipulative and passive aggressive?

80 replies

lowfatiscrap12 · 22/08/2012 13:34

in a nutshell so I don't have to drip feed:

I have three children and live about 230 miles away from my Mother. My sisters both live locally to her and see her daily. And even if they see her in the daytime, they phone her every evening at the same time. I'm not as attentive as that. I phone her regularly (a few times a week) but not daily. And obviously I can't visit her daily either as we live over 200 miles away!
She never phones me. She expects her daughters to phone her. So despite the fact that it's the summer holidays and we have three children (the youngest of which is 9 months old) she gets huffy if I go more than 48 hours without phoning her. We go up there regularly, probably about 8-12 weekends a year minimum. And she comes here for the odd week. She doesn't ask or offer to visit. I suggest it, buy her train ticket etc..(she's on a low income)
She's in her late 70's, retired.
So the big issue at the moment is that we haven't left the elder two (9 and 12) there for a week in the summer holidays. My Mum 'wants to get to know my granddaughters properly' and wants us to stay for a week. We used to go up there for a week (usually dh would drop us there one weekend, pick us up the next) but after 48 hours my Mother (assisted by wine) would get increasingly snippy, bad tempered and difficult.

She's quite old school with children, thinks they should be seen and not heard, should fit in with what the parents do. Arranging activities for the children is an alien concept. She doesn't have transport, so would be reliant on my sisters, when they were there, to leave the house and go anywhere. My eldest daughter in particular, now she is 12, wants to hang out with her friends during the holidays. She finds my Mother hard to be around sometimes, and the thought of me leaving her there, without me, is not nice. I wouldn't be confident doing that. (but would love the peace and quiet!)
I've skirted around the issue and said that we'll come up for long weekends as the girls have lots of activities going on here (which is true, and they've already missed a fortnight of those when we went on holiday) and invited her here.

But she keeps going on about it. When I asked her if she'd like to come and visit here for a week or so, because there's more room, and all the girls belongings here, and I'd send her the train ticket etc. she got huffy and said 'but I want you to stay here for a week'. It's a small house, we have to bring our very small friendly dog (who spends far too much time in a crate because my Mother is worried about getting fur etc. on furniture, despite her dog being free range)

I'm sick of the passive aggressive shit. It's exhausting. My sisters are a tough act for me to live up to. I don't see her daily, phone her daily. They can do this because they live around the corner.I phone about three or four times a week. She doesn't phone me. I think I'll always be the disloyal daughter who dared to move away.

I feel a bit disappointed frankly. Mothers arn't supposed to be like this, are they?

OP posts:
EarnestDullard · 22/08/2012 13:43

I'm sure there's probably more history to this, but just going on your OP alone, it sounds like your Mum feels sad about not seeing your DC as much as she sees your sisters'. Obviously it's understandable as you're so far away, but I don't think she's unreasonable to feel sad about it.

On a practical note, would it be possible for you to visit her but stay in a (pet friendly) B&B or hotel nearby, to have a bit of your own space? And/or hire a car so you're not relying on others for transport? I can sympathise with the 12yo preferring to see her friends and being bored at your Mum's, we've all been there; but being a bit bored won't kill her, visiting relatives is something you have to put up with sometimes, even if you'd rather be doing something else.

lowfatiscrap12 · 22/08/2012 13:48

well yes, she is sad that she sees her other grandchildren more, (but it still took her 6 weeks to come and see dd1, her first grandchild)
It's sad, but I see her out of duty rather than pleasure, because she's started so many irrational rants in the past, usually after having 2 glasses of wine with her lunch! It turns her into a loony sometimes.

OP posts:
Kayano · 22/08/2012 14:17

Doesn't sound passive aggressive to me? Just that she would like you to visit her. Given her age i wouldn't expect her to do a 460mile round trip alone tbh.

And if she would like to to give her a quick call every other day given the fact she doesn't see you often.. Is that really so hard? I would do it.

She probably is upset if you used O go for a week and now don't, you used to live there and now don't, she used to see you more and now doesn't as much, you are getting lax in calling her

She probably sees you getting further and further away from her and just wants you back for a while

Kayano · 22/08/2012 14:18

She can probably tell what you do is out of duty btw, and there is nothing worse.

Has she really done anything so bad? You sound very very cold to her

Dropdeadfred · 22/08/2012 14:21

What reason does she give for the visit having to be there??

charlottehere · 22/08/2012 14:21

Just stick with what you are doing. You are being more than fair and rightly you are putting your DCs first. Try and remind yourself she is old and won't be around forever. hypocrite, don't speak to my M

lowfatiscrap12 · 22/08/2012 14:23

interesting. I had assumed that Mnetters would think that it was unreasonable of her to expect a daily phone call and week long visits when my eldest daughter doesn't want to be left alone with her. Interesting. And a 2 hour train journey with no stops where she's being dropped and collected at both ends by a relative is too much for someone in their late seventies? Really?

OP posts:
charlottehere · 22/08/2012 14:25

I agree with the poster who said its ok for children to be bored, however a weekend seems long enough. My PIL visit us more often than not and my DDs are off with their friends alot. PIL would probably prefer them to be here but meh.

RaisinDEtre · 22/08/2012 14:26

yes really

sorry you are not hearing what you want to

lowfatiscrap12 · 22/08/2012 14:27

What has she done? Well, she screams rather than talks to the kids if they misbehave. She smacked me lots growing up, and has smacked the girls too, which made me angry. She thinks it's her right to discipline her grandchildren her way. I've seen her grab my sisters daughter by the hair to stop her doing something, or to tell her off. She gets very emotional, tearful and aggressive when she's had a.drink.

OP posts:
TheMightyMojoceratops · 22/08/2012 14:27

"My eldest daughter in particular, now she is 12, wants to hang out with her friends during the holidays. She finds my Mother hard to be around sometimes"

is not the same as:

"my eldest daughter doesn't want to be left alone with her"

charlottehere · 22/08/2012 14:27

I think that throws a whole new light on things OP. Sad

TheMightyMojoceratops · 22/08/2012 14:28

You're drip-feeding now...

Dropdeadfred · 22/08/2012 14:28

Op ; why does she want you to visit her rather than her visit you?

Kayano · 22/08/2012 14:29

I'm totally out with the ridiculous drip feeding already. And I clearly said a call ever other day is not too difficult.

Hmm
lowfatiscrap12 · 22/08/2012 14:30

she wants me to drop the girls off there for a week. I suspect she knows I don't really want to and is forcing the issue so we end up having a discussion about it.

OP posts:
quoteunquote · 22/08/2012 14:31

She is being difficult, it makes far more sense for her to come to ours, a short train journey is nothing,

stick to your guns, go for the odd weekend, no longer, and keep offering to have her at yours,

just say "oh mum that won't work for us, but you know we love having you here so we can look after you",

as for phoning everyday, bit unnecessary really unless there is breaking news,

Just do what suits you, and she will have to get use to it, sounds like she is trying it on somewhat.

Kayano · 22/08/2012 14:31

AIBU!

a bit

No I'm not

you are a bit

But she smacks

headdesk

lowfatiscrap12 · 22/08/2012 14:31

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by Mumsnet for breaking our Talk Guidelines. Replies may also be deleted.

quoteunquote · 22/08/2012 14:32

yoursBlush , I don't want your mother.

lowfatiscrap12 · 22/08/2012 14:34

Oh Kayano stop being so silly. You gave your opinion. That's fine. I'm just surprised that people saw this from my mothers perspective initially, even without the extra information. Fucks sake. Forgive me for not typing up my whole bleedin life story first.

OP posts:
Kayano · 22/08/2012 14:34

Oh I got that deleted very fast indeed Grin

jesuswhatnext · 22/08/2012 14:35

arnt there just! Hmm

EarnestDullard · 22/08/2012 14:36

OP, your last post sheds a very different light; there's a world of difference between your DDs being a bit bored and not wanting to spend time with her because she screams at them and smacks them.

In that case, I think YANBU to not want to visit. But if you feel you should visit, then I stand by my earlier advice; stay in a hotel, rent a car, see your Mother during the day for as long as you can stand and then retreat to do your own thing. And tell her that if she lays a hand on your daughters you will not be spending any more time with her, as it is your job to discipline your children, not hers. Maybe the last one is easier said than done, but her smacking your DDs is really not on.

Kayano · 22/08/2012 14:36

But if you post something that doesn't have all the info people will only be able to answer based on that limited info

And then you changed things ie dd wanted to be with friends changed to dd didn't want to be left alone with her

And then added in te smacking etc.

I'm not the one being silly and calling people names for not jumping to agree with you Wink