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to be a little suspicious of landlord MIL.

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SmellsLikeTeenStrop · 20/08/2012 21:17

Sorry, this is long.

DH and I rent from my MIL. She bought the house for DH before we met and there was always the understanding that when he had a steady income that would enable him to take on a mortgage she would let him buy the house at the same price she paid for it.

This was over 10 years ago, DH and I live here with our DCs and we're now in a position where we can buy the house, but now the plan seems to have changed. MIL is very cagey when we try and talk to her about buying the house. In the past she's said she'll 'be fair' when it comes to selling the house, but she's also said that for various reasons it would be impossible to sell the house to us for anything less than full market value. We've been told that the rent barely covers the mortgage and insurance, but we've also been told that she relies on our rent as her main source of income.

The last discussion we had she was pushing towards us not buying the house but instead having our names added to the mortgage and taking over the mortgage payments. I asked her how much the mortgage was and she claimed not to remember.

She's not been the best landlord in the world, she's made no effort to update the house at all. We can't have the boiler serviced because it's so old there are no parts available for it - but she can't replace the boiler as she has no money. The house is in massive need of updating, the kitchen is at least 30 years old, ditto the bathroom. The windows we're fighting a losing battle with, we sand them down and paint them every other year but they're deteriorating more and more.

For a house we're merely renting, it's not suitable for us any more. We're expecting another DC soon and we're a bit squished as it is. If we owned the house DH and I would hang on here a bit longer to improve the house and hopefully get it to a point where we can sell it on at market value and use the equity for a bigger home. Alternatively we could extend and/or add a loft conversion. MIL is aware that this is what we want to do and has said that this would be fine, but that was when we weren't in a position where we could actually buy the house.

If she won't sell us this house than the only real alternative is for us to move out. I won't hang on renting a house that is too small for us, especially with all the issues we're having with it. Us moving out would either force MIL to sell, or to invest a few thousand in to the property before she could get new tenants in. Given the amount of work the house needs, I can't imagine it would sell very quickly unless she sold it very cheaply.

So, after this huge wall of text. AIBU to be suspicious of MIL and WIBU to expect her to honour the promise she made to DH but if that really is impossible for her, to give us a mahoosive discount to take in to account the years of rental we've been paying, plus the huge amount of money we'll need to invest in the house?

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Bossybritches22 · 27/08/2012 15:07

Spud When she dies it can go to whoever she nominates in her will but if he has this money in his name it will go down as HIS income & HE will be taxed on it so she will stuff him up then as well as now.

Gather up all the paperwork you have & get some advice.

Start another thread in legal...sounds VERY dodgy to me -SORRY!

Spuddybean · 27/08/2012 15:11

oh bollocks! Thanks i will. What a pain.

TheBigJessie · 27/08/2012 18:39

Sorry to hear it went as you expected! so badly. Absolute lovely to hear that she thinks her choice to prioritise remodelling her patio over her own boiler has any relevance to her legal obligations to provide her paying tenants (and their young family) with a safe boiler. Not.

Whatever the (alleged) difficulties with her properties abroad, you're paying rent, and so are her tenants in the other British house. I wonder, could you check how much she paid for that one on Zoopla, and find out if she's remortgaged that one with the land registry?

MissM · 27/08/2012 22:38

SmellsLike I think you need to stop worrying about what assets she has and hasn't got, and just concentrate on getting your family out of there before the cold weather starts to kick in. A friend of mine had her boiler condemned last year and couldn't afford a new one, and lived for six weeks with no heating in December. It was dreadful - please don't let that happen to you with a tiny baby.

I'm open-mouthed at your MIL's lack of responsibility or remorse, and pissed off with your DH on your behalf for his lack of backbone! Please serve notice and get out of her clutches!

thelittlestkiwi · 28/08/2012 02:14

I have a feeling MIL may 'find' some money to replace the boiler as soon as you move out and the rent stops coming in.

It's a shame you have to move when you are pregnant. I guess the silver lining in this might be that you will look at buying your own home. And if you had done it a few years ago you might be in negative equity now.

Good luck with the baby and house hunting OP- will you let us know how you get on?

Jux · 28/08/2012 02:44

What's the notice period on your agreement (or is that not relevant as you're on the month by month thing now)?

Homebird8 · 28/08/2012 04:35

I shouldn't think notice is relevant as the MIL has not been upholding her side of the contract by keeping all things legal with the boiler. Let her know by all means but don't worry overly about it.

IDontDoIroning · 28/08/2012 09:34

I would consider the following
1- get someone to look at/ service the boiler. You will probably have to pay but i would consider withholfing it from the rent. Sorry if I've misread but from what I gather it's old obsolete but you don't know if it's dangerous. An engineer will tell you and I'm guessing it will be one of 2 results.
A- boiler is old you can't get parts if it fails but it still works and it's safe. MIL will still need to replace it but at least you know.
Or B- it's dangerous can't be fixed and it's condemned. MIL has been putting your lives at risk and will need to replace boiler.
Get the engineers report in writing. If possible get an indication of works required as it may not just be a new boiler it may neec plumbing etc.
2- get a couple of estate agents to value house. Either pretend your the vendor or give them a half truth about MIL owning it. Get a sale and rental value.
Armed with those facts email or write to MIL.
State you are giving notice as house isn't big enough for your expanding family, so you aren't interested in buying it either for the same reason. Depending on gas engineers report you might want to remind her that if you reported her she would be prosecuted and (god forbid) if any thing was to happen to your family as a result of the faulty boiler it would be a police matter.

Don't consider going on the mortgage as you may become jointly liable for all the debt if she defaults.

MIL will be faced with some stark choices.
If she wants to find new tenants she will have to sort out the boiler and pay out the ££££s. But she gets to keep the income and any equity.

If she sells she will probably have to she'll out similar ££££s in EA and legal fees to sell but she will lose the income and realise whatever equity is there.

Be prepared for the fall out though I doubt it will be pretty.

SmellsLikeTeenStrop · 28/08/2012 14:34

BigJessie I can't remember the address of the other house, just the town its in.

MissM Don't worry, I'm not going to make any decisions that would hurt the family and our future prospects, and would only benefit MIL. I really have no interest in being part of her financial wheeling and dealing.

thanks kiwi, I will update. Nothing major to report right now.

We're on a month by month thing now jux

I think the fall out is going to be huge when MIL realises that DH and I really don't want to 'benefit' from her 'generosity' any longer. Good times ahead.

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TheBigJessie · 28/08/2012 18:37

Good luck. The moment you move out, she'll definitely somehow find the money to do the window frames, and possibly redo the kitchen. All the things glaring obvious on a viewing.

Haberdashery · 28/08/2012 21:29

Blimey. Just read the whole of this and wanted to wish you good luck. You've done brilliantly to stand up to her like this. Carry on the good work! And find your family a proper safe home they can feel secure in. Hope your husband can back you up properly next time.

travailtotravel · 29/08/2012 22:18

Delurking to say you're doing great Smells - have fun finding somewhere you want to live!

SmellsLikeTeenStrop · 29/08/2012 23:13

thank you, I am pretty excited about finding somewhere new to live. Somewhere with 2 reception rooms, a big kitchen and decent sized bedrooms.

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QuintessentialShadows · 29/08/2012 23:30

Keeping fingers and toes crossed all will be well for you! Smile

Sallyingforth · 30/08/2012 09:48

"thank you, I am pretty excited about finding somewhere new to live. Somewhere with 2 reception rooms, a big kitchen and decent sized bedrooms."

and a spare bedroom for when MiL comes to stay :)

Do please come back and tell us how it goes.

QuintessentialShadows · 30/08/2012 10:26
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Jux · 30/08/2012 15:15

Good luck finding a new home, temporary or otherwise. Check the boiler before you sign anything! Grin

Let us know how it goes.

Bossybritches22 · 04/09/2012 08:56

How's it going Smellslike ??

Any nice properties viewed yet?

Hope MIL is behaving herself & you aren't getting too tired with bump. Grin

fryingpantoface · 04/09/2012 10:32

Any updates?

TheUnsinkableTitanic · 09/09/2012 12:45

Hope you have found a safe new home Smells

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TooTiredToBeCreative · 21/11/2012 20:42

Any news smellslike?

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