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To show you this picture of a 90 year old.

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NameChangeGalore · 16/08/2012 21:26

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yellowraincoat · 17/08/2012 11:21

This is just the standard BS women have to put up with. Tasteful, elegant, let's all stand up and applaud. Well done on looking appropriate.

If women go "too far" with anything, make-up, cosmetic surgery, sexiness, it's all "how trashy" "what a slag" and so on.

It's just boring. It was SO nice during the Olympics when we were just appreciating women's bodies for what they could do. Now it's back to laughing at them. What a shit life this is.

PenisVanLesbian · 17/08/2012 11:22

I'm sure she's glad you approve.

Lost my grip? on nasty judgmental misogynistic "what a woman should look like" nonsense....yes, I've lost that. You should try it.

Or you could go back to Grazia and find out what shoes you must buy this fall to be a valid woman? Hmm

SoupDragon · 17/08/2012 11:23

If you bothered to read what I've posted, you will see that it isn't misogynistic at all.

PenisVanLesbian · 17/08/2012 11:26

it is though, you just are so entrenched and used to it you can't tell.

NovackNGood · 17/08/2012 11:27

Wow mumsnett. It truly does seem to be where where the daily fail's woman readers come to be truly mysoginistic and then on another thread you'll all be claiming to be so empathetic and helpful.

yellowraincoat · 17/08/2012 11:27

Just because you'd equally slag off Pete Burns doesn't mean it's not misogynistic.

SoupDragon · 17/08/2012 11:27

Oh, so judging crap cosmetic surgery regardless of age or gender is misogynistic? Really? How does that work then?

SoupDragon · 17/08/2012 11:29

I don't judge people for looking their age.
I don't judge them for looking fat.
I don't judge them for looking natural.
I do judge crap cosmetic surgery.

Not entirely sure how hating crap cosmetic surgery displays a hatred of women but [shrug] if it makes you feel better to think that then go with it.

Wowserz129 · 17/08/2012 11:29

In real life she looks awful.

Why is it when people over do plastic surgery they look like cats?

PenisVanLesbian · 17/08/2012 11:31

Selective judging is still judging.

If she is happy what business is it of yours? So she doesn't fit what you think she should look like, its more your ishoo than hers.

yellowraincoat · 17/08/2012 11:33

Isn't it enough to just realise that, whether or not you would equally slag off men for doing it, it comes off as misogynistic?

Also, how many men do you see with obvious cosmetic surgery? There's Pete Burns and George Michael and er...

By slagging her off, you are basically feeding into this message that women can be commented on. Slagging off men as well is sort of by the by, because it just doesn't happen in the same way in our society.

Beyond that, isn't it just nicer to NOT slag people off? People in general. Not just men or women. Their appearance doesn't affect you at all, so why bother commenting?

I'm by no means perfect on this front, surely, I slag people off in my head, out loud too, by the way.

ShatnersBassoon · 17/08/2012 11:36

Boggling at poorly executed cosmetic surgery isn't misogynistic. She just happens to be a woman. Nobody here has said they hate her, just that she's made herself look very strange.

I think David Gest has made himself look like a Dolmio puppet. I'm not a misandrist.

HipHopOpotomus · 17/08/2012 11:38

I wonder what's going on inside that drives her to still be so "looks" focused aged 90? I wonder if she is happy?

PenisVanLesbian · 17/08/2012 11:38

Use whatever term you like, as long as you're happy slagging off the physical appearance of extremely elderly women, you knock yourself out.

SoupDragon · 17/08/2012 11:38

Everybody judges.

I may well think "WTF have they done?!" but it wouldn't affect how I treat someone or what I think of them as a person.

The real issue here is that these women (and, whilst there are male "victims" of crap cosmetic surgery they are mainly women) feel the need to surgically change their appearance to fit some supposed ideal. Ironic that you are arguing in favour of it.

I think she would look far better natural. Most people do.

I shall leave you to it though.

RubberDuck · 17/08/2012 11:40

"Also, how many men do you see with obvious cosmetic surgery? There's Pete Burns and George Michael and er..."

Surely this is the point?

I think you're arguing about face with the misogyny aspect. Surely the issue is that any woman that feels the need to mutilate themselves in order to look younger is a cause for concern in a patriarchal society?

I don't judge Jackie Stallone for it, but I do judge society for it and don't think that is in any way a look I'd aspire to. I'd like to hope that after all this body-positive Olympic fever, that Ernestine Shepherd would be a far better role model.

SoupDragon · 17/08/2012 11:40

Hating crap cosmetic surgery isn't misogynistic because crap cosmetic surgery is a thing. It is not a woman.

LynetteScavo · 17/08/2012 11:40

Apart from the lips she looks quite good.

But the lips are horrendous.

geegee888 · 17/08/2012 11:42

Whatever it is HipHop it seems to have kept her active and well til 90!

LynetteScavo · 17/08/2012 11:42

George Micheal hasn't has had plastic surgery.

Botox, maybe..........Hmm

WorraLiberty · 17/08/2012 11:46

Jackie Stallone

Paul McCartney

Joan Rivers

Pete Burns

Michael Jackson

These are all people who have overdone plastic surgery imo and look hideous. I don't apologise for thinking this...and that their plastic surgeons should have acted within their clients interests, instead of acting within the interests of their bank balances.

I'm normally the first to jump in and point out that people make themselves look rather bitter when they're slagging off the way celebrities look...the Oscars for example brought up some very catty remarks about Angelina Jolie's bloody leg and don't even start me on how some people have slated Cheryl Cole's looks.

But looking at the people named above, they have for whatever personal reason made themselves look bloody awful imo and I personally wouldn't pretend otherwise.

fatlazymummy · 17/08/2012 11:49

IMO she looks dreadful, and I can remember her on CBB. She would have looked better with less/better plastic surgery. So would Pete Burns and David Gest.
There, I hate men and women equally.
Of course, it is up to each of these individuals to do what they want to their own faces and bodies. If they are in the public eye and being photographed for celebrity events [and earning money through being a 'celebrity'] then they must know that people will be discussing their appearance.

SirBoobAlot · 17/08/2012 11:51

We live in a misogynistic world world where women are made to feel like they should have plastic surgery. That is a shame.

Stating that its gone a bit too far when you've injected a shit load of crap into your face isn't misogynistic in itself though.

fatlazymummy · 17/08/2012 11:56

sirboobalot Plenty of women don't feel the need to have plastic surgery though. I personally think it comes down to personal issues and insecurities, rather than the 'misogynistic' society. Especially for those who live within the celebrity culture.

fatlazymummy · 17/08/2012 11:59

Micky Rourke is another male 'victim' of plastic surgery. I can think of a few more as well. I don't think it is necessarily related to being a woman.