In thinking that if you have a 2.5" thick roll of £20 notes ..

[RubyVaultingGates]

You probably don't need a Freedom Bus Pass.
Prat!

Sorry, but getting on the bus, claiming you've forgotten your Freedom Pass and then trying to pay a £2.50 bus fare with a freshly printed twenty pound note peeled ostentatioulsly from the thickest roll of the things I have ever seen and then having an argument with the driver about not having anything smaller does not garner any sympathy.

He did not appear to be disabled, was not in obvious pain, and actually ran for the bus.
I do understand the concept of concealed disablities, but really!

Why does it bother you so much? Why do you care?

Just make buses exact change only again. If pizza deliver in my area if you need more than 10 in change then they go away again with your delivery and mark your number as a nuisance caller unless you say keep the change.

maybe he was a plant?

i'm beginning to think MNHQ plant thread worthy suspect looking folk in Soft Play, on buses, in P&C parking, on This Morning, in the DM Liz Jones had got to be an MN stooge

you know, to keep AIBU ticking along

It might indeed be all the money he has in the world because rich people don't tend to use cash or go on the bus, they use cards and taxis.

You don't know for sure that the whole wad was £20's. It could have been a couple of notes wrapped round something.

Maybe he had just been to the bank to withdraw the money to buy something big, like a car and he had no spare cash?

And so what even if he is loaded and had to get change? He delayed you by a moment or two. I am pretty sure that the driver had loads of change and it wasn't the bloke's fault that the driver was huffing about paying it out. Why should a passenger feel bad about paying for his own ticket? The driver is there to provide a service - he had no cause to be annoyed.

YABVU

I care, because of the 10 or so buses I get every day, on at least three of them, someone will try something similar. And then the bus driver refuses to go anywhere, the person refuses to get off. A heated argument ensues, and the police are called.

It makes everyone on board late and bad-tempered. And it happens every single day. And it makes me grind my teeth and inwardly scream.

He may well have been genuine. I guess he could have had epilepsy or something similar, but given the context of the situation, which you weren't there to judge, I very much doubt it.

And I needed to vent. Ifankyew.

YANBU OP. People who try to pay for bus fares with a twenty when I'm trying to get to work are The Enemy. If someone did that on my bus I'd be on here judging their clothes, budget, personal hygiene, taste in books, accent, you name it.

I have a disabled person's bus pass and it gets annoying when I get looked up and down by the driver and sometimes by other passengers who are trying to spot how I am disabled.

When I was younger I got travel tokens instead of the pass, when I tried to pay for the ferry for them I was asked if I 'robbed them off my granny'.

Not all disabilities are obvious. I am epileptic by the way and perfectly capable of running for a bus but not of driving which is why I am eligible for a pass.

See note above re. invible disablities.

invisible even.

but given the context of the situation, which you weren't there to judge, I very much doubt it

I wouldn't have judged at all.

Goody Valium. But you must be an entirely different breed from everyone else on the bus.

And not only do you judge but you also know what every person on the bus was thinking.

It was the combined sharp intake of breath and the loud converations following the incident that were a bit of a giveaway.

Still, bus travellers are clearly an entirely different species to those of us who inhabit the rareified realms of MN eh?

I knew that this would be the response on here, but I wonder why it's so different to the response in real life?

Why do epiletics get a free bus pass. They would have to pay to run a car if they owned one so why do they get free public tranport ? Just curious

He was probably a drug dealer on his way to sell to the local schoolkids! Did he have wild eyes, unkempt hair and several mobile phones on the go?

Because people with epilepsy aren't allowed to drive, and are therefore eligible for a bus pass.

people uncontrollable epilepsy can't drive ffs

is that a serious question?

missed out a with

you knew this would be the response?

there's a psychic thread or two knocking about OP, so when you've finished diagnosing fellow bus passengers, you might be needed on those too?

Epilectics can't drive the same as a blind person or a person with certain other physical disabilities. Would you begrudge a blind person a ticket too?

The fact that had they not had those disabilities they would have to run their own car is irrelevant. They can't have a car so they get help with transport costs.

Well MN is hardly likely to say, indeed the bounder was clearly a scrounging dole bludger, with a pocket-full of newly photocopied minted twenties who had no intention of paying and, probably enjoys winding the drivers up on a regular basis.

Ruby that does not answer the question. Narcoleptics are prohibited from being allowed to pilot an aircraft but they don't get free air fares do they. I simply wonder why if you cannot drive due to a disability why you suddenly get a free bus pass if before hand you would have had to fork out for running your car.

Why is it winding up a bus driver for the bus driver to have to give change? Can they not count? Do their fingers not handle small coins well? Do they particularly enjoy the satisfying weight of all the coins they have in their machines and not want to give the pretty shiny things to anybody else.?

Epilepsy is a disability the same as any other, in that it prevents a person who has it from function normally all the time.

"I don't think he had a Freedom pass in the first place. I don't think he intended to pay for his travel."

Then why are you so angry that he ran for the bus?

Are you cross because he was a bad liar?