To think that no one will ever vote conservative again

[rogersmellyonthetelly]

At least in anyone in living memory of the current government and their immoral targeting of the most vulnerable members of society.
I voted conservative at the last election to my eternal shame, I won't make the same mistake twice.

I'm staggered at how people didn't realise people with 'real disabilities' would lose out.
Of course they fucking will!

DLA has a 0.5% fraud rate. That's not good but it's one of the best in the benefits system and that's due to the amount of proof you need to get it.

Yet they want to cut DLA spending by 20%. How do you do that without removing money from people with 'real disabilities'???

That's without the ESA Work Capability Assessment (Labour introduced but Coalition continued with glee) taking people off ESA if they could use one finger.... WTF????

Sixties Green icon and Green representative for the EU Parliament, Daniel Cohn-Bendit, wrote about sex with kindergarten children in the 1970s.

The Green Party - Proud to love your kids more than you do.

I keep seeing this 0.5% figure for DLA fraud but no-one seems to be able to explain how this figure has been arrived at.

Ask the DWP Denise it's their figure.

UserNameNotAvailable - UKIP's policies state that they are in favour of congregate communities for people with learning disabilities. It doesnt specify if it means children or adults.

As the parent of a child with learning difficulties, it makes my blood run cold.

DLA has a very low fraud rate, however IMO the boundaries of what constitutes a disability have been drawn far too widely in the past and therefore it is not unreasonable to reduce the DLA spend by 20%. There are now many conditions that are classed as disabilities that in the past may well have been considered to be unfortunate but essentially something you coped with.

Denise34 running the country is not enough for me, I intend to RULE THE WORLD!

It will be a hostile takeover by the Flouncy Party and Things Will Be Different....

I will never vote labour, lib dem or Tory. Totally disillusioned with the lot of them. Not sure where that leaves me. I've always voted in the past, I feel it's important to vote. But just unsure what to do, if they're all a bunch of arses.

But DLA isnt given for the disability, its given for the need.

londonone not so... already in the application process you have to state how the disability affects you and how you incur extra cost because of it - this information has to be backed up by consultants and professionals in the condition.

Try increased number of elderly people, more premature babies surviving but with long term disabilities - medical technology meaning that many more people survive today that formerly wouldn't, plus those that would formerly be shut away in institutions now living in the community and incurring costs to live - previously the NHS would have met the bill now it's the DWP. The cost was always there it's just shifted.

Some would not be able to work if they didn't get their DLA. They want to replace the current system of using consultant reports to using an assessment interview much like the ESA format highlighted by Panorama and Dispatches. That's frightening.

Denise34 I called the tories the dark side because their policies and I don't like how they want to shaft the most vulnerable.

Vagaceratops I didn't know that. Even if it doesn't state whether it'll be children or adults your children will become adults so yes, it must be very scary for you.

But that's the thing vagaceratops there are all sorts of people with a all sorts of needs. Doesn't mean it is up to the state to pay for them.

Denise34 I called the tories the dark side because their policies and I don't like how they want to shaft the most vulnerable.

Those policies are necessary because of the state this country was left in by the previous government.

And it's not a Tory government, it's a coalition.

I will definitely vote for them again.

It certainly seems strange how the DWP know there is a 0.5% fraud. I suppose it must be some percentage of the figure they are asked to investigate. And some jobsworth will have invented a formula to work it out. I was surprised once when I discovered that having chronic depression could qualify you for DLA. Not saying it should or shouldn't because I don't know enough about it. But I was still surprised to find that out.

A large family may have a need for a large car, a myopic person may have a need for glasses. Doesn't mean the state pays for all these things.

But thats not what you said.

Have you seen a DLA form?

A large family needing a large car is hardly comparable to the extra costs of a disability.

Maybe a few of us should start a Political Party, under the umbrella of MN, PM's questions would be great, "AIBU" .

We could are do worse. There's a wealth of knowledge here, all shades of Political Views, intelligentmostly men and women.

I'd vote for the MN Party.

Sparks1 I don't know how much of a grip you have on economics. If you vote for the Tories, probably not a great one, I imagine. It's quite hard to talk about economics unless you actually understand it.

Do you really think the Tories don't waste money, or spend it in unhelpful ways? Take the example I mentioned earlier about selling off council housing stock. Now we are left with a huge HB bill which we can't afford.

It has been shown time and time again that austerity measures do not work in reviving an economy like ours. And yet they still push on with them, because they know that taking money off benefits budgets is a sure-fire vote winner.

They say we need to look at sport and how it is played in state schools. They then sell off 20 sports fields belonging to state schools. It might earn money in the short term, but long term, the money spent on the NHS on obesity, heart conditions etc caused by lack of exercise will be more.

And besides all that, I don't really care if the government spends a lot of money, IF the country then works. Countries like Germany or Sweden tax high, but by spending money on the right things, their countries function well, are more protected from recession and have happier citizens.

Austerity measures appear to have done nothing to rectify any economic situation. It's bs.

Try taxing the banks, tightening tax laws so loopholes are non existent and stop spending £££ on overseas conflict.

If you believe that attacks on those dependent on benefits - including the disabled - is a solution then you are sorely mistaken.

I cannot think which party I would vote for mind.

Is it a bit previous for me to say I need would quite like to be Foreign Secretary, if thats OK.

Glitterknickaz but the issue is it cant really be backed up by doctors because their are many conditions that cant be varified for intansce somone says they are depressed or have a bad back

Also i heavily resent overweight people being allowed to claim this

Vagaceratops yes i have seen a dla form and its up to the clamment to state how their disabilty effects them and people ate often told to fill the form out as if its the worst day they every had

How can be be giving benfits based on aliments that a doctor can not vvarify with a form you fill out your self

The whole thing is corrupt if you try to question your shouted down as hating disabled people it only hurts disabled people to allow fakers to go on we need to weed them out

And a myopic person will get glasses on the NHS if they have a low income.

How can be be giving benfits based on aliments that a doctor can not vvarify with a form you fill out your self

But a doctor does verify it? They will write to your doctor/consultant etc