I do not understand why people have kids when they can not afford them.

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I know this topic will create lots of critics but i want to share my thoughts and see if anyone agrees or i am the odd one out.
I come from a european country where the fertility rate is 1.4 that is each woman/family has 1.4 child. Grandparents very often are the to help, but women (and men) are responsible enough not to have children if they can not afford them or look after them.
I grew up thinking that i want children not because i want them for me but because i have to donate life and their life must be a good life. Children are not mine but they are individuals.

Having said that, when i moved to the UK, i realised how things are different.
I feel that many people think children will not change their lives, they get pregnant easily, they do not really worry too much (and take contraception) in order to avoid pregnancies.
Then, when they have the child, you see that often these children live in broken families, or the single mothers do not have 50 pounds to buy them a decent meal, or they are left in front of the tv all summer because they had not planned childcare is expensive and grandparents live far.

Children should be planned carefully, i think and it is very selfish to have them without thinking of (and being ready for) the consequences.

socknickingpixie are you proud of having claimed no income related benefits?

I never knew only the rich felt entitled to have children , the things you learn in the Daily Mail on MN eh?

Since when do you need a license to have a dog?

Iloveberries - No, It is a right, like it or not.

I don't think the rich feel entitled to have children do they?

This thread is doing my head in. I cannot believe the attitudes on here, but sadly I can. Hide hide hide that thread.

But the poor are not allowed to have children, so someone must feel entitled

Try the Daily Mail comments page iloveberries, it's right up your street.

"Is that a joke usualsuspect?

Everyone's work is worth at least the pittance that is minimum wage. We need to higher minimum wage and a maximum wage"

Try running a business.

I never said anything about minimum wage

Don't run a business if your not prepared to pay your staff properly

Sorry that was separately aimed at someone else. Should put their name.

iloveberries it's nothing to do with attitude. It's written in black and fucking white, It is a human right to be able to have children, regardless of your feelings on that, It is a FACT that it is a right under this act.

Blood boiling! Hide thread hide thread.

Usual - i hate the dm and haven't read it in YEARS but I also can't stand some of the comments on here it's the worst of mn

Would someone please tell me to fuck off to the far side of Italy, I could do with a holiday.

TIA

Yes. As I said I understand it is a human right. I don't believe it should be.

Swearings not very imaginative

Why is your blood boiling iloveberries? Do you not like facts being stated?

And it's very nice there this time of year.

"Don't run a business if your not prepared to pay your staff properly"

Define "properly"? Do you think staff should be paid more than the value of their labour?

Like it or not, there are a lot of people that simply do not provide work to the value of £6.08 an hour.

X posted.

It doesn't make a difference whether you believe it should be. It is, To say 'it's not a right' is incorrect. I don't see why being corrected makes your blood boil

Because I honestly don't understand how someone could plan a baby they had no intention of financially supporting because it's their human right to have a child.

Husbands leaving, redundancy, illness etc etc I agree are hard things to go through and we should support those people but when people feel entitled to have large families it just makes me so cross. No-one wins.

being corrected is not what makes my blood boil!

It's as explained above

Well said denise. And fair play for starting up your own business and not expecting the state to support you!!!

I agree that people expecting rights must also accept responsibilities - but taking responsibility - even for one's own life and family - is not very attractive to many people today.

There are people working that don't deserve to be able live and eat. Ofc all work is worth at least that. Pay yourself less.