I do not understand why people have kids when they can not afford them.

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I know this topic will create lots of critics but i want to share my thoughts and see if anyone agrees or i am the odd one out.
I come from a european country where the fertility rate is 1.4 that is each woman/family has 1.4 child. Grandparents very often are the to help, but women (and men) are responsible enough not to have children if they can not afford them or look after them.
I grew up thinking that i want children not because i want them for me but because i have to donate life and their life must be a good life. Children are not mine but they are individuals.

Having said that, when i moved to the UK, i realised how things are different.
I feel that many people think children will not change their lives, they get pregnant easily, they do not really worry too much (and take contraception) in order to avoid pregnancies.
Then, when they have the child, you see that often these children live in broken families, or the single mothers do not have 50 pounds to buy them a decent meal, or they are left in front of the tv all summer because they had not planned childcare is expensive and grandparents live far.

Children should be planned carefully, i think and it is very selfish to have them without thinking of (and being ready for) the consequences.

Wot no goats?
How could you forget? Goatism still exists.

The single mother slating has been going on for over 20 years that I know of, it ain't going to stop anytime soon IMO

Perhaps if this european country you came from is so great you should fuck off back there?

If these businesses paid decent wages, people wouldn't need tax credits would they. You should see the hard work my dh and colleagues have to do for their shitty wages!, if it wasn't for tax credits we wouldn't have a roof over our heads

Denise34, the prejudice shown towards recruiting young women in large corporates goes on as well, sadly.

Not seeing a great deal of slating single mothers, tbh.

The OP seems to have disappeared. Having been told to "fuck off" back to her own country a couple of times, I'm not really surprised.

And if these Men, put a johnny on their end of their bellend before pro-creating or atleast paid for their damn kids life would be a better place

Yy to both pumpkins posts.

Yes, why hasn't anybody ever addressed the problem of absent fathers?

Anybody want the name of DDs absent 'father' he needs seriously addressing and not in a nice way

LesleyPumpshaft Because its always easier to bitch about the single mothers.

Lapisblue. The solution to people not hiring young women is not taking away maternity leave. That's much more detrimental and pandering to misogyny. Extending paternity leave is needed.

i'm here to apologise to MNHQ

seems my own DM has found this site and logged in

i shall have her removed and put back out to pasture ASAP

Binkyridesagain hmm, sounds familiar. I used to think about XP and wonder whether a name and shame website would be a good idea. It's not worth it though!

Gin30 you're right about that.

And if these Men, put a johnny on their end of their bellend before pro-creating or atleast paid for their damn kids life would be a better place

But if its SO well known that men can be feckless and bugger off and leave pregnant women in the lurch why do women allow entry without rubber!

Lets be honest, whether johnnys are available or not most men never want to wear them hence the reason there are so many single mothers.
But because us women have so many contraception choices we are always blamed

hoiday why do you insist on making it the womans fault?

I think the lets slag off poor people klaxon went off somewhere in cyberspace.

Is holidaywoe Jeremy Kyle?

I really don't understand how you can think anyone would be persuaded to have children by the benefits. It would be the worst paid and most over-worked job ever.

(SERIOUSLY queenofdiamonds?! WTAF?)

Contraception can fail. And some of these feckless men can actually be someones husband.

Would you...ahem.. allow your husband entry without anything on the end of it.

Married men can fuck off and leave their wives you know.

Married lovely men who seem absolutely lovely.

'johnny' and 'bellend'

those words take me back to school days 35 10 years ago!

Me neither Abody!-who wants millions of kids on benefits?

people calling for the end to benefits-housing benefits, CTC etc etc, and 'see what happens then'; its called social security for a reason

If our social structure was to crumble, do you really think it is the rich that would survive?? the rich are only 'the fittest' in the capitalist society that they have created around themselves

Such fucking arrogance

Gin, im just spinning it around so that people can also see that the Men have to be blamed TOO. It takes two to tango, single mothers have to have sex with a man to become pregnant?
I mentioned it as no-one mention MEN