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To be apoplectic with rage over this?

163 replies

BenedictsCumberbitch · 03/08/2012 13:44

Myself and Mr BC own a house that we used to live in that we now rent out. I'd say we are decent landlords, attending to any problems quickly as possible and availing ourselves to him 24 hours a day 7 days a week in case of emergency, despite also paying a letting agent do the leg work in such matters. Anyway there was a problem with the boiler which the tenant decided not to inform us about and get fixed himself (which is another thread altogether) and then asked to be reimbursed , for the sake of harmony we agreed to refund him the money based on the understanding this would not happen again. I went to the house today to collect the receipt and hand over the cash only to see that on the front door of MY PROPERTY he had stuck several National Front stickers with slogans such as 'Pensioners before Immigrants' and 'Proud to be British and White'. He wasn't in so I left the property after taking a photo on my phone and ringing the letting agent.

AIBU to consider giving him his notice over this, I'm raging that he thinks this is an acceptable way to behave and that he would deface our property in this way?

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ClaraDeLaNoche · 03/08/2012 15:18

Thanks Mayor! Basically you can potentially fairly discriminate on the grounds of political belief, same as you can say no smokers.

Sastra · 03/08/2012 15:18

And I'm pretty sure The Klan are very much still active. I believe quite recently there was a splitting, with some members going off and softening their edges, in a similar way to the BNP, so as to appeal to the more mainstream

KickTheGuru · 03/08/2012 15:19

Sorry maybe I am misunderstanding this.

What I am getting is that discrimination and the victim of discrimination only has any recourse if it's not done under the guise of a political agenda?

Discriminating against someone due to political beliefs, the victim would have no legal recourse

Which to me means that any form of discrimination has no form of recourse if it's politically motivated?

I am genuinely asking by the way. I didn't know any of this so I'm not arguing this fact. Just trying to understand it

Sastra · 03/08/2012 15:20

But the rest are still up for a lynching.

Sastra · 03/08/2012 15:21

Race trumps politics in terms of what you're allowed to discriminate against.

Sastra · 03/08/2012 15:21

*not allowed

KickTheGuru · 03/08/2012 15:22

Ah ok - the thread moved on a bit. I am getting it :)

Right so I can legally say "No BNP" or "No Labour people" etc etc on an advert for a property I want to rent and I won't get into trouble?

That said, does my political alignment absolve my behaviour if my political party is discriminatory?

KickTheGuru · 03/08/2012 15:22

sastra read my mind

I am on the same page as you all. Thank you for your patience

Sastra · 03/08/2012 15:22

Not if that policy is clearly racist, I think.

Sastra · 03/08/2012 15:23
Grin
BenedictsCumberbitch · 03/08/2012 15:24

I need to contact the tenant to arrange a time to exchange receipt for cash would I be unreasonable to mention via text that I'd prefer the stickers to be removed (I think I'd go the route of not wanting damage to occur to the property in case anyone takes offence) or just wait until he receives the letter from the letting agents asking him to remove them and arrange the property inspection. Should I tell him we have arranged a property inspection? I don't want to get his back up but equally I want this sorted. I know there is an argument not to use text but tbh I have a complete phone phobia and text is how (instigated by him) we usually communicate.

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KickTheGuru · 03/08/2012 15:26

Show em this thread

Bet their brain will explode

ClaraDeLaNoche · 03/08/2012 15:27

Kick there are nine protected grounds inc race, age, disability etc. Political belief is not a protected ground so you can't complain if you are treated unfairly because of your political beliefs. There are some limited circumstances where it may be relevant in the case of employment relationships eg when someone is a TU rep but it is the fact that they are connected with the TU as opposed to a left winger that counts. Sorry on phone on bus and not sure where to get off, hope this makes sense.

Sastra · 03/08/2012 15:28

It depends on whether you want them down before he leaves? If not, I wouldn't even mention them.

If you do, I wouldn't do it by text. If the letting agent manages the place, let then do the job youre paying then for. If they don't, can you get your partner to call? Or I'd write a letter.

KickTheGuru · 03/08/2012 15:28

Perfect sense - I will google that and have a bit more of a read. Thanks :)

Sastra · 03/08/2012 15:29

Interesting, Clara! Have learned something today Smile

BenedictsCumberbitch · 03/08/2012 15:31

Sastra thing is if he takes them down without fuss and the property inspection comes up ok then would I be daft kicking out a tenant who in the main (racist slogans aside) looks after the property well, where the rent is paid by the council every 4 weeks without fail? Just because he isn't the kind of man I'd like to socialise with?

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ClaraDeLaNoche · 03/08/2012 15:31

Thanks Sastra. It's the one area in life I know about and it never comes up in Mumsnet but now it has yippee! Grin

BenedictsCumberbitch · 03/08/2012 15:32

Which is realise is a complete about turn on my OP. Oh bugger. I'm one of those posters.

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Sallyingforth · 03/08/2012 15:32

OK about the boiler thing. I still think you are within your rights to just go and take the posters down.

thecatsminion · 03/08/2012 15:33

What do you want? Do you want the stickers taken down? In this case, you can ask and he can, presumably, say no. Although you could suggest (possibly not in writing) that the stickers go or you pick him up on the pets.

If you want him out your flat - and I can totally see why you would - then just give him notice without mentioning the stickers.

KickTheGuru · 03/08/2012 15:34

Clara - well done for your contribution. I know nothing that comes up on MN either... :D

Apart from squirrels

And Kenny Rogers

BenedictsCumberbitch · 03/08/2012 15:40

thecats I want the stickers removed from the exterior of the property where they could cause offence. Ideally I'd get him to leave the property and have another tenant walk straight in without costing me anything but I guess that's unlikely to happen. So I need to decide whether my pocket takes the hit which it can Ill afford (but I accept it's one of the pitfalls of being a private landlord) or my morals (in letting the property to a NF supporter, so long as he does not plaster the property with propaganda).

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Sastra · 03/08/2012 15:41

Clara, today, is A Good Day Grin

ViviPru · 03/08/2012 15:42

Well if it's a moral issue, OP, I wouldn't judge you or think you'd compromised your morals if you decided to keep him on as a tenant.