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AIBU? WWYD? Smoking issue around my baby!

157 replies

Champagnelady · 26/07/2012 12:52

Hello....I am genuinely not trying to aggravate any smokers with this but I don't know how to handle this one.

Firstly, I know I have extreme views on smoking. Both my parents have smoked my whole life - around me and my siblings. It's very much a smoking family. I have never smoked and I never will. I hate smoking even more since my dad passed away specifically from smoking related cancer. It makes me angry that they subjected me and my siblings to inhaling their smoke for years, especially when one sibling had cancer as a child. I don't understand why seeing my dad pass away, horribly, was not enough to scare the living crap out of my mother and make her stop. She knows to some extent how I feel about this but we don't have a relationship where we can be totally honest - she doesn't handle it well.

My husband and I are due our first child in a couple of months. We don't live close enough for my mum to 'pop' in. It's a flight away so when she visits she stays with us. She doesn't smoke in the house - she tries to smoke less when she is here, but inevitably she does still smoke and goes in the garden to do so. I can smell it when she comes in the house and I really don't like it. I think partly, now that everywhere in public is non smoking and I haven't lived at home for many years I probably notice it more. She will of course come to visit when the baby comes.

When we go to see my mum we stay with her. My dad always smoked in the house and smoked a lot more than my mum. Mum smokes outside most of the time, and the house has been decorated from top to bottom. On a recent visit I kept my suitcase closed. I didn't even open it whilst in the house. Yet still, when we left I had to wash everything and leave the case outside for two days because everything smelt of smoke. All the lovely baby things she bought I had to wash to get rid of the smell.

I don't know how to handle this - there is no way on this earth I am staying in that house with my baby if that is how my clothes smell when we come away. It's been 3 years since my dad passed away and still the smoke lingers. I don't want my mum anywhere near the baby when she's had a cigarette. If I can smell it, the baby can breathe it in.

I know my views are extreme and I don't really know how on earth I'm going to tackle this with my mum without feeling like I'm being really mean.
And where do I draw the line? One sibling has a child, and they live close to my mum but my brother smokes (outside his house, not inside) but still...

I'm sorry this is so long but any advice very welcome but please don't tell me to ignore the smoking thing because I just can't.

Thank you!!

OP posts:
Noqontrol · 26/07/2012 12:55

Why would your clothes smell if she smokes outside? Have i missed something?

Olympia2012 · 26/07/2012 12:57

Well you can't banish every trace of it can you....

WorraLiberty · 26/07/2012 13:00

Yes your views are extreme

It's just a smell...you can wash the clothes and get over it.

Be prepared for some drama llamas to spread propaganda about 3rd hand smoking though...like non of them ever take their babies into a street with car fumes.

If you can't 'ignore the smoking smell', you'll just have to deny your child a loving relationship with its Grand parent until it's old enough to make that relationship for itself.

redrubyshoes · 26/07/2012 13:05

Buy your Mum an electronic cigarette and ask her to use it.

SilkySmith · 26/07/2012 13:07

when DS was born the advice we were given was that smokers should not hold a baby for an hour after a cigarette as a lot of the passive smoking chemicals still come off them for an hour after the visible smoke has gone

So that was our rule

SilkySmith · 26/07/2012 13:09

"If you can't 'ignore the smoking smell', you'll just have to deny your child a loving relationship with its Grand parent until it's old enough to make that relationship for itsel"

Rubbish, my 20 a day mother loved her grand son enough to go for a walk after a ciggie before comming back to hold him so that the worst of the fumes were gone by the time she held him

honeytea · 26/07/2012 13:09

YANBU I feel exactly the same, MIL smokes as does SIL, I am going to tell them that they need to change their clothes and have a shower before they hold my baby, my baby my choice.

PicklesThePottyMouthedParrot · 26/07/2012 13:09

I would be ok if she only smoked outside and waited a time before holding or going near baby.

I can't see how her house smells like that after three years if she smokes outside? To me she must be smoking inside.

I would have no issue staying there if she smokes outside.

I'm an ex smoker and my mum hates it and used to complain a lot but she never detected a smell at mine when I switched to smoking outside?

WorraLiberty · 26/07/2012 13:10

Yes but that's your Mum Silky, not everyone is prepared to go along with such silly rules.

And I say that as a non smoker.

MsOnatopp · 26/07/2012 13:16

Agree completely with Pickles. She must be inside on occasion and if she smokes a fair bit more and more throughout the day will stick to her clothes and spread.

I am an ex smoker and completely disagree with Worra. They are not silly rules, they are sensible.

SilkySmith · 26/07/2012 13:18

Its not a "silly rule" it was advised under CONI (care of next infant, SIDS advice)

I can't imagine that a loving grandparent would rather not see their grand child then have a wee gap between ciggies, I didn't ask her to quit! I only asked her to not come in immediately after a cigarette, she could have one immediately after

Lucyellensmum99 · 26/07/2012 13:18

Firstly, your views are not extreme and anyone who says that people who point out the FACTS about smoking and second hand smoke etc being drama llamas can fuck the fuck off and quite frankly are pretty bloody ignorant.

I could have written your post, my father died of lung cancer after having suffered for two years with vascular dementia caused by smoking, it was so bad i that i was pleased when the poor sod died :( My parents smoked around me when i was young, i hated it, i used to cry and beg them not to, but they still did it, because it was the done thing and they thought I was being unreasonable. My mum still smokes Angry how she could do that after she watched my dad in a living hell i just dont know. I make no bones about telling her how i feel about it. She now will not smoke near me, even outside.

Yes, the smell of smoke is foul, but the smell is indicative that the toxins are still around - don't tell me they aren't im a biochemist, i know they are. There was a publicity campaign that outlined that it is still dangerous for a smoker to breathe over a baby when they have just smoked (there was a time limit iirc) even if they are not smoking.

As far as your situation goes OP, i think if you don't visit your mum often or for extended periods of time and vice verse, all you can really do is ask her not to smoke near the baby, give her the information about breathing over babies etc and then just get on with it. Clearly this would be different if you spent alot of time with your mum. I wouldnt let my mum hold my baby if she had been smoking, it wasn't nice to have to say to her, mum you can't hold the baby your breath stinks of cigarette smoke, but tough. She understood this and thankfully it has curtailed her smoking a bit. It is not about being precious about a smell, it is about being concerned about toxins and carcinogens in the babies environment.

AKMD · 26/07/2012 13:18

I feel the same as you and would probably stay at a B&B nearby.

WorraLiberty · 26/07/2012 13:21

don't tell me they aren't im a biochemist

Ohhh that makes everything ok then because someone on the internet claims to be a biochemist....

If you want to tell me personally to fuck off Lucyellen then just do it...instead of quoting me and then saying 'anyone'.

It's a bit pathetic don't you think?

PicklesThePottyMouthedParrot · 26/07/2012 13:23

Your mum should be fine with asking her to wait before handling baby, I was when I smoked.

I'm the opposite from a non smoking family and my mother hates smoke but for some reason I started.

usualsuspect · 26/07/2012 13:24

Don't visit her then, don't take your baby outside either all those nasty car fumes...

Lucyellensmum99 · 26/07/2012 13:24

Worra, i don't want to tell you to personally fuck off - if i did, believe me, you'd know about it. I didn't even register who said it, i said what i said to make the point that i know what im talking about and its not just a bad smell, in the "smell" that is the issue. Shit stinks, but hey.

Pickles77 · 26/07/2012 13:25

I completely agree with you op 100%
I've just stayed with my mum for two days. All my clothes stink. She has had 12 cigarettes in 2 hours today! It's vile.
All the nice things she's bought for
My baby now have to be washed.
How they don't see it, I don't know!!! I'm a ex smoker and it angers me so much because when I smoked I had a lot more consideration for others.
I really think its a generation thing (with the parents)
YADNBU

OutragedAtThePriceOfFreddos · 26/07/2012 13:25

If she's smoking outside you can get her to wear a particular jumper or jacket to wear while she smokes so that the smell doesn't linger on her clothes underneath. I'd also ask her to wait 15-20 mins after smoking to hold the baby and get her to wash her hands and brush her teeth.

If that's not enough for you, then you are being overly precious and need to get over it.

WorraLiberty · 26/07/2012 13:26

Yes it does

Imsosorryalan · 26/07/2012 13:26

Well, you anbu in not wanting your baby's clothes to smell but yabu in expecting your mum to stop smoking because you want her to. If she has been smoking for years it's very unlikely she will stop now unless she wants to.
I'm not sure what answer you want. Either you put up with residue smoke smell for a few days or stay in a b&q nearby.
Personally, building a relationship with your grandchild would be far more important than a smelly environmentGrin

PicklesThePottyMouthedParrot · 26/07/2012 13:26

To be fair I'm not at all precious about smoking but I've stopped and dp still does a bit. When he comes in from the garden he pongs.

I don't think it's out of order to ask a family member to wait a bit before holding the baby close, especially when tiny

Lucyellensmum99 · 26/07/2012 13:27

Pickles, my eldest DD smokes, it breaks my heart - she knows better than to smoke near me, i love her i dont want to watch her kill herself :(

Car fumes are nasty, but there is not much you can do about it - the OP has asked what our advice is, my advice is to visit and ask her not to smoke near the baby and to wait a few minutes, wash hands before she handles the baby after smoking. Why do people go down the road of pointing out all the other dangerss in the world when there is a danger than can actually be easily avoided

PicklesThePottyMouthedParrot · 26/07/2012 13:27

I think what outraged suggests is a good idea.

Lucyellensmum99 · 26/07/2012 13:30

I think you mean worra the scattologist actually - just saying, like Wink i did have to google that. Seriously though Worra, that wasn't a personal fuck off to you, youre actually quite funny - i just feel strongly about this issue.

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