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AIBU? WWYD? Smoking issue around my baby!

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Champagnelady · 26/07/2012 12:52

Hello....I am genuinely not trying to aggravate any smokers with this but I don't know how to handle this one.

Firstly, I know I have extreme views on smoking. Both my parents have smoked my whole life - around me and my siblings. It's very much a smoking family. I have never smoked and I never will. I hate smoking even more since my dad passed away specifically from smoking related cancer. It makes me angry that they subjected me and my siblings to inhaling their smoke for years, especially when one sibling had cancer as a child. I don't understand why seeing my dad pass away, horribly, was not enough to scare the living crap out of my mother and make her stop. She knows to some extent how I feel about this but we don't have a relationship where we can be totally honest - she doesn't handle it well.

My husband and I are due our first child in a couple of months. We don't live close enough for my mum to 'pop' in. It's a flight away so when she visits she stays with us. She doesn't smoke in the house - she tries to smoke less when she is here, but inevitably she does still smoke and goes in the garden to do so. I can smell it when she comes in the house and I really don't like it. I think partly, now that everywhere in public is non smoking and I haven't lived at home for many years I probably notice it more. She will of course come to visit when the baby comes.

When we go to see my mum we stay with her. My dad always smoked in the house and smoked a lot more than my mum. Mum smokes outside most of the time, and the house has been decorated from top to bottom. On a recent visit I kept my suitcase closed. I didn't even open it whilst in the house. Yet still, when we left I had to wash everything and leave the case outside for two days because everything smelt of smoke. All the lovely baby things she bought I had to wash to get rid of the smell.

I don't know how to handle this - there is no way on this earth I am staying in that house with my baby if that is how my clothes smell when we come away. It's been 3 years since my dad passed away and still the smoke lingers. I don't want my mum anywhere near the baby when she's had a cigarette. If I can smell it, the baby can breathe it in.

I know my views are extreme and I don't really know how on earth I'm going to tackle this with my mum without feeling like I'm being really mean.
And where do I draw the line? One sibling has a child, and they live close to my mum but my brother smokes (outside his house, not inside) but still...

I'm sorry this is so long but any advice very welcome but please don't tell me to ignore the smoking thing because I just can't.

Thank you!!

OP posts:
JenaiMarrHePlaysGuitar · 26/07/2012 16:46

People becaome quite hysterical when it comes to smoking, but I understand why you wouldn't want a chain smoker spending too much time with your new baby.

The solutoin, as suggested already, is to buy your mother an eCigarette. They are ace. I say this as a smoker of 25 years.

Have a look at Groupon, Wowcher etc; they often have offers.

Hownoobrooncoo · 26/07/2012 16:56

I feel the same. I know my views and hatred of smoking are extreme but I believe growing up within a house where parents smoked, especially my mum who was a chain smoker, smoked all trough her pregnancies, blew smoke in her babies as she fed them etc. Every car, plane trip was us enveloped in smoke and it physically made me want to trow up and my eyes streamed. I was a sickly child with constant colds and coughs. I used toworry and cry ad akid that she would die of cancer. Years later she died of lung cancer and we had to nurse her and watched her die though of course I was happy to be there for her but it was tough.

I know it seems a bit OTT but yes smoking really affects me and really affected me physically and emotionally as a child so I don't think you are overreacting and probably can't help your feelings.

MamaMumra · 26/07/2012 17:01

I live in London Kelly and I've been hissed at for sparking up outside the tube.

MamaMumra · 26/07/2012 17:03

Asthma rate thymeout .

JennerOSity · 26/07/2012 17:03

My Dad smoked daily in our tiny 2up 2 down house as we were growing up. I thought daily blinding headaches were normal for everyone. Then we moved house when I was 15 and he smoked outside only and my headaches vanished overnight. Quite the revelation that was! What a relief not to have those headaches anymore!

cakeismysaviour · 26/07/2012 17:11

I love it when people think that if they smoke outside you cannot smell it on them.

You can. Grin

I have a friend who has the odd cigarette, and thinks that because she smokes outside, you cannot smell it.

When I see her, I always know whether she has a cigarette that day as soon as she comes near me.

YANBU OP. Smoking is disgusting, but if your mum always smells of smoke its probably going to be impossible to have her see the baby without your mum stinking of smoke. As long as she doesn't smoke near the baby, thats the main thing, but I totally understand where you are coming from.

SarahBumBarer · 26/07/2012 17:15

OP - I love my mum and have a very good relationship with her. She stopped smoking for 8 years and while I could no longer smell smoke in her house I definitely COULD smell it on our clothes when we came home from hers after visiting even after 8 years of not smoking and most of the rooms in the house being decorated in that time.

Despite loving my mum I was furious when she started smoking again after quitting for so long. It started off as social and she is now just as addicted as she ever was. She loves her DGC (my DC) and they her but she is not allowed to touch them for at least an hour after smoking, when we are together I expect her to wear a coat when smoking (even in this heat) that she then leaves in her car, wash her hands etc and not to allow the DC to see her smoking and I get bloody frustrated when her need for a ciggie upsets our routine or what we are doing. I also stopped paying certain expenses for her that I was previously paying since if she can afford to literally burn £60 a week on ciggies she can afford to pay her own bloody sky bill and broadband and I can put the money into my children's savings accounts instead.

It's disgusting and I will not have my children exposed to it or feel the need to defend my views to a bunch of nicotine addicts and people who are clearly feeling defensive.

Thymeout · 26/07/2012 17:16

Thanks, Mama. So, presumably, not directly linked to smoking, since smoking has been steadily in decline for decades?

I'm interested because there does seem to be an element of hysteria about second hand smoke and I don't think the science is as clear-cut as people seem to think. I think we may be missing something more dangerous in focussing so narrowly on smoking and find it very hard to believe some of the propaganda. How on earth did previous generations survive to reproduce?

cakeismysaviour · 26/07/2012 17:22

It is amusing on these threads how people come up with all kinds of excuses to justify smoking. At the end of the day it is a disgusting habit, but if some people want to do it, then thats up to them.

Just don't get all defensive when others find it disgusting and decide that they would rather not expose their DCs to it.

Grin
MamaMumra · 26/07/2012 17:29

this is interesting. Talks about the health threats of climate change.

Thymeout · 26/07/2012 17:51

Thanks, Mama. My dentist thinks his newly acquired allergy to latex is down to GM foods. Will go off and digest so as not to hijack thread.

OP I agree that the smell of smoke is unpleasant for non-smokers but find it hard to believe that, just because they can smell it,their children are in such danger that clothes should be changed, showers taken etc. What about the things they can't smell because they are so used to them? Like traffic fumes? Chemicals in furnishings?

Just get so tired of the way smoking is blamed for everything when the figures obviously don't add up.

SilkySmith · 26/07/2012 17:51

"How on earth did previous generations survive to reproduce?"

err lots of them didn't, obviously all our parents did but many of their generation did not. Now we have better info about keeping our babies alive, why ignore it?

SilkySmith · 26/07/2012 17:55

"Just a question for all you scientists to answer for me.

Asthma cases up. Hospital admissions for breathing difficulties among children up.

Number of smokers down.

Why?"

Just because our children today are exposed to a lot of environmental (and dietary) crap that affects their health doesn't justify adding cigarette smoke back into the mix! surely the fact that they are up is a REALLY good reason to NOT expose them to even more crap?

WorraLiberty · 26/07/2012 18:02

I think WRT this 3rd hand smoking...

A lot of parents like to focus their health worries on that because it involves telling other people what to do for the sake of their baby's health.

Not everyone is as concerned about their baby's health when it comes to changing their own habits, otherwise there wouldn't be so many overweight women willing to conceive.

Both it seems are risky to the baby's health, yet only one of those things involves any kind of self control from the parents...unless of course they're smokers themselves.

SilkySmith · 26/07/2012 18:05

its second hand, unless the GPS are going to meet the parents away from the baby and the parents are then taking a message from the GPs to the baby on their own!

The effects of smoke linger on the person after the cigarette is put out

If the OP was puffing away at home but asking others not to then you might have a point!

WorraLiberty · 26/07/2012 18:08

I think I still have a point to be honest

So if holding a baby after you've smoked away from it is not 3rd hand smoking, what is?

< confused >

SilkySmith · 26/07/2012 18:09

3rd hand would be contact with someone who had contact with someone who smoked

2nd hand is a cuddle from someone who has themselves been smoking

WorraLiberty · 26/07/2012 18:12

No, it would seem secondhand is actually standing next to someone with a lit cigarette.

3rd hand is the contact with their clothes, skin etc after they've smoked it.

SilkySmith · 26/07/2012 18:14

whatever you choose to call it, its still there and still harmful but also easily preventable!

Thymeout · 26/07/2012 18:15

It's the 'better information' I'm querying, Silky

I'm not advocating 'adding cigarette smoke back into the mix', merely pointing out that the escalation of precautions - from going outside to smoke, to washing, to changing clothes, to not holding the baby for 10, 30, 60 minutes doesn't seem to be having much effect on respiratory problems, so wouldn't it be a good idea to examine other possible causes?

IfElephantsWoreTrousers · 26/07/2012 18:18

toxic chemicals from smoke will be embedded in every article of a regular smokers clothes - even if they normally smoke outside.

For your baby's first few months of life at least (longer if there is a history of asthma in the family) your mum should keep a set of non-smoking clothes at your house that she never smokes in and which never go back to her house. When she arrives, she changes into those clothes then she's safe to cuddle the baby. The smoky clothes she arrived in go out into the car till she next needs them. If she needs to smoke during the vissit she gets changed to do so.

It's not unreasonable - yes it's a faff but there are some serious poisons there. You are being a good mum to protect DC from them, and if your mum is shocked by the level of protection that is necessary, maybe that will help her to cut down - but this plan would NOT be an over-reaction.

Thymeout · 26/07/2012 18:20

I think to be really safe, Worra, the OP should shower and change clothes after meeting her mother on her own without the baby.

It will probably be in the next set of guidelines.

WorraLiberty · 26/07/2012 18:22

Thymeout, she should also wear rubber gloves when texting or emailing her just to be on the safe side Grin

SilkySmith · 26/07/2012 18:22

"so wouldn't it be a good idea to examine other possible causes"
other causes are being examined
and who's to say the OP isn't looking to reduce other risks by putting the baby "back to sleep" and monitoring the room temperature and keeping the baby in the same room as the parents etc

fact is, SIDS is down, the numbers show this
2nd hand smoke is one of the risk factors, noone's saying it's the only one!

Thymeout · 26/07/2012 18:24

IfElephants

'This would NOT be an overreaction.'

How about one of those SOC coveralls, with booties and mask?

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