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AIBU? WWYD? Smoking issue around my baby!

157 replies

Champagnelady · 26/07/2012 12:52

Hello....I am genuinely not trying to aggravate any smokers with this but I don't know how to handle this one.

Firstly, I know I have extreme views on smoking. Both my parents have smoked my whole life - around me and my siblings. It's very much a smoking family. I have never smoked and I never will. I hate smoking even more since my dad passed away specifically from smoking related cancer. It makes me angry that they subjected me and my siblings to inhaling their smoke for years, especially when one sibling had cancer as a child. I don't understand why seeing my dad pass away, horribly, was not enough to scare the living crap out of my mother and make her stop. She knows to some extent how I feel about this but we don't have a relationship where we can be totally honest - she doesn't handle it well.

My husband and I are due our first child in a couple of months. We don't live close enough for my mum to 'pop' in. It's a flight away so when she visits she stays with us. She doesn't smoke in the house - she tries to smoke less when she is here, but inevitably she does still smoke and goes in the garden to do so. I can smell it when she comes in the house and I really don't like it. I think partly, now that everywhere in public is non smoking and I haven't lived at home for many years I probably notice it more. She will of course come to visit when the baby comes.

When we go to see my mum we stay with her. My dad always smoked in the house and smoked a lot more than my mum. Mum smokes outside most of the time, and the house has been decorated from top to bottom. On a recent visit I kept my suitcase closed. I didn't even open it whilst in the house. Yet still, when we left I had to wash everything and leave the case outside for two days because everything smelt of smoke. All the lovely baby things she bought I had to wash to get rid of the smell.

I don't know how to handle this - there is no way on this earth I am staying in that house with my baby if that is how my clothes smell when we come away. It's been 3 years since my dad passed away and still the smoke lingers. I don't want my mum anywhere near the baby when she's had a cigarette. If I can smell it, the baby can breathe it in.

I know my views are extreme and I don't really know how on earth I'm going to tackle this with my mum without feeling like I'm being really mean.
And where do I draw the line? One sibling has a child, and they live close to my mum but my brother smokes (outside his house, not inside) but still...

I'm sorry this is so long but any advice very welcome but please don't tell me to ignore the smoking thing because I just can't.

Thank you!!

OP posts:
lastnerve · 26/07/2012 14:50

I totally understand not wanting your mum to smoke in the house

as an ex smoker myself I totally agree with go outside if u want to smoke.

TantrumsAndBalloons · 26/07/2012 14:57

No, it isn't.

Smokers choose to smoke but clearly do not actually smoke inside the house, around the child. They also agree to wait a certain amount of time before holding baby.

You, on the choose to have a child. I assume you know said family member smokes. But there are posters on this these who won't allow a smoker to be around their children. At all. Not smoke around them, simply not be anywhere around them.

So because you decide to have a PFB every single person in your family must give up smoking forever.
I understand not wanting someone smoking in the house with your child.
I understand not wanting someone who has just that second had a cigarette holding your child.
I can understand asking people to wash their hands.

I do not understand dictating someone's lifestyle because there's a chance you might pop round with PFB.

cuntflapwankbadger · 26/07/2012 14:58

I find it weird anyone would expect a full shower to be had after a fag. I understand removing a top/jacket, washing hands, waiting thirty minutes and brushing teeth. But a full shower is loony tunes.

TantrumsAndBalloons · 26/07/2012 14:59

Yes, clearly she is trying to protect her baby from the arsenic chemicals on the ceiling that have been there for years wheresmy

Wheresmycaffeinedrip · 26/07/2012 14:59

True but when family don't understand y you won't go to the house and then don't make effort to come to yours it's not nice :(

cuntflapwankbadger · 26/07/2012 14:59

In fact loads of these comments are loony tunes. Especially considered lots of pfbs eat cat shit and the like by mistake.

hairytale · 26/07/2012 15:27

worra your attitude stinks. I never let anyone who'd recently smoked anywhere near my new born. The science is very clear on this.

OP yanbu.

hairytale · 26/07/2012 15:30

No-one is dictating other peoples lifestyles.

Parents get to choose who sees/handles their child - and if the parents decide that smokers can't no one has the right to criticise them for that. If it's so important for them to see the child they can quit. Easy.

TantrumsAndBalloons · 26/07/2012 15:51

Yup, easy. Of course other people may not think they have to change their lives just in case you might want to visit.

And they might disagree with the fact that the entire world revolves around PFB.

But god forbid any form of compromise be reached. Don't people know you have a newborn???

MuddyRocker · 26/07/2012 16:01

You are completely right to be worried about your mum smoking, even if not directly around your new baby. The toxins created by smoking don't just stay in the smoke and disappear into the air they linger on your skin and clothes and hair. Handling a newborn baby or their things when coated in these toxins IS dangerous. Those who aren't sure check current information on SIDS.
In regards of how to deal with your mum. Could you stay in a b&b when visiting her? And when she comes to stay have a no smoking policy or ask her to stay elsewhere. Don't allow her to hold the baby if she's had a cigarette. If this upsets her remind her that the choice is hers. I'm an ex-smoker and I didn't let anyone hold my DD after they'd been smoking. Those who cared about holding her refrained from smoking. Those who didn't respected my wishes (and my DD's health) and would not insist on holding her.

I'm not quite sure why people on here would consider it ok, to be honest.
Car fumes on the street are difficult to avoid. OP's mum does not need to smoke.

LentillyFart · 26/07/2012 16:10

The fucking hysteria on smoking threads - so predictable! Another thread I'll have to hide - although seeing worra getting a load of abuse maybe makes it worth staying Grin >

mindosa · 26/07/2012 16:12

I am very anti smoking but I think you are being very extreme. Your mother smokes outside when you are there or she is with you. Thats enough.

MamaMumra · 26/07/2012 16:13

My MIL smokes like a chimney, when we visit her we sleep in a b & b.

I think it is well accepted now that smelling of smoke around newborns is a very bad idea.

redrubyshoes · 26/07/2012 16:14

I don't understand why you just can't ask your mum to not smoke when she is in your enviroment? What is she going to do? Leave?

MamaMumra · 26/07/2012 16:16

I think we will be the last generation to get so het up over smoking - I never see anyone smoking any more.

Thymeout · 26/07/2012 16:19

Just a question for all you scientists to answer for me.

Asthma cases up. Hospital admissions for breathing difficulties among children up.

Number of smokers down.

Why?

Champagnelady · 26/07/2012 16:21

Crikey. I've set a few people off!

I'd never ask my mum to stop smoking, or anyone else for that matter. She knows how I feel about it and i will never understand why she continues to smoke but it's her choice at the end of the day.

She would have to respect my choice too though - and I hope she would.
asking someone to wash hands, brushing teeth, go for a walk etc before holding baby I think are reasonable compromises.

And I'll deal with where we stay next time we go home - won't be for a few good months yet!

OP posts:
LentillyFart · 26/07/2012 16:23

You need to install a decontamination pod for her. That should do the trick.

MamaMumra · 26/07/2012 16:24

thymeout increased from 1980-1997. But steady since (well 97-2004)

TantrumsAndBalloons · 26/07/2012 16:27

Oh lentily

You read my mind.

I was going to suggest cotton wool but your idea is so much better Grin

Or maybe a bubble?

cuntflapwankbadger · 26/07/2012 16:30

Hmm, when I did smoke, if I was seeing my DN I didn't smoke, that's just what I did. I didn't have to be asked and it wasn't mentioned, I just didn't. I'd have a shower, wear fresh clothes and just... not smoke. Didn't smoke for a whole weekend once when we stayed, that got me started on the road to packing it in.

KellyElly · 26/07/2012 16:31

MamaMumra really? I see loads of people smoking. Where do you live??

Ariel24 · 26/07/2012 16:34

I don't think yabu at all OP, I can't stand smoking, the smell of cigarette fumes makes me feel really ill and it's not something I want near me, let alone my baby.

The only close family member of mine who smoked is my brother, and he understood totally when I told him I didn't want him holding my baby when she is born after he has been smoking. I said he would have to wait an hour, wash his hands and change his jumper, which he agreed to. I don't see why any loving family member would object to requests like this. I woul also never want my baby seeing her uncle smoking, for obvious reasons. I'm so so glad that my bro decided to quit smoking recently, mainly cos I care about him but also cos it means there will be no hassle with this when baby is born.

As for people saying it's not right for parents to deny their family members who smoke relationships with their children, I think that's very unfair. I don't believe people do really do this, or ask family to drastically change their lifestyle. Absolutely everyone these days is aware of the health risks of smoking, if family members who smoke aren't prepared to make a bit of effort to make sure a baby is protected from the harm that smoking causes, it is they who are stopping a relationship from being made.

Thymeout · 26/07/2012 16:35

mama Which increased? Which steady?

Why are so many babies/toddlers being admitted for wheezing when people are taking all these precautions re second hand smoke? This is the first generation of children living in a virtually smoke-free environment. And yet they seem less healthy than, say, in their parents' time.

What else is going on?

JennerOSity · 26/07/2012 16:39

This makes me so grateful I hardly know anyone who smokes as I would have a real problem with it, and can't advise as I don't think I could be balanced about it.

To answer the 'how did the clothes get smelly' thing, even though she smokes outside. All I can say is that it is one of those things which really gets about, perhaps because it is complex chemical compounds, not just a harmless odour.

All I know is that when my friend visits me, she is very considerate and smokes well away from the house, and gives it about 10 minutes before she comes back. But still it makes my house reek and I can smell it for 2 days after. This is a house where no-one has smoked in it for 8 years! So whatever the physics/chemistry involved the cigarette smoke sticks to the person and comes back inside with them. It is just how ciggy smoke is!