To think that the fact that 50 SOG is so popular is a bad reflection on women or at least the woman who like it?

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I've read all 3 of the books and they are awful or so many reasons which I think most of us here agree. I bought the books thinking it was going to be about a sub dom relationship and wanted to read some porn.

But what really bothers me is that so many women are swooning over Mr Grey. He is their 'fantasy man'. The amount of times I've sene facebook posts about 'going to curl up in bed with Mr Grey'.

To me he's an abusive partner with mental health problems. I realised this when he told Ana he likes to spank women (or in his words beat the shit out of them) because they remind him of his neglectful birth mother. Yet she still continues to allow him to 'punish' her. The abuse continues throughout all three of the books and ends with her somehow managing to 'change' him ans they all live happily ever after.

Is this really every womans fantasy, take a rich, controlling abusive, abused lost soul and change him?

Lucyellen read all my posts and I think you will see.

I have said all the way through although it is a crap book I thought it was an ok read for me. In the same way Macdonalds is crap food but I like to eat it still.

My discussion is around women swooning over the abusive control freak.

Actually Simon Cowell could be Mr Grey.

I actually found it quite disturbing to read as I drew so many parallels with my own life obviously not the rich, handsome bit and far fewer orgasms

when I met my ex I was a very inexperienced 19 year old and he was 33

when we first got together he treated me like a princess, was my knight in shining armour. He wanted to spend all his time with me which I thought was really flattering but in reality isolated me from my friends and he made it clear he didn't like them so it was easier not to see them

he had mood swings which were never explained -I was left to guess and the thought process was that it must have been me that caused it -he was angry with me because he wanted to protect me

making up was always done through sex, not talking -he would tell me what he wanted me to know and nothing more

I found it better to modify my own behaviour so as not to provoke a raging temper tantrum mood, where he would tell me I couldn't go out, I couldn't eat (if he wasn't eating that shite then I couldn't either)

but I always believed that I loved him and he loved me -waht an idiot I was!!!

the amount of people who are swooning over Christian is mad and frightens me a little bit

he was an older man who took advantage of a young woman who had a very low self opinion -I appreciate this is fiction but it reflects the experiences of many women in EA relationships and this shouldn't be seen as normal or even fantasy

BDSM is consentual and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it -emotional abuse is a different matter

LMAO as Simon Cowell as a model for Mr Grey!!! I have outgrown my crush on him and actually swoon over colin firth - now if he were a dominant (but considerate man) i'd be in seventh heaven (like he'd fancy me but hey.......)

I actually imagine Simon to be a bit of wuss between the sheets actually.

Workshy great post I think perhaps you have to have been in an abusive relationship to see the signs.

Bit baffled people are complaining about spoilers here.

How do people think it's going to end? It's not as if she's likely to kill him and have him turned into shoes, is it?

Goth I was a bit pissed off about the spoiler because it was so blatent, and no warning at all about it coming. I havent started reading the books yet so at this stage dont know how they pan out. Many other threads on here have managed to discuss it without giving so much away.

I'll be honest Im not reading them for their literary skill, just to see what all the fuss is about, and I usually read books about gruesome murders like Mo Hayder, Tess Gerritsen etc so am just a bit disappointed that my very first foray into something a bit different has been ruined a bit.

I have skimmed - where is the spoiler? I have no desire to plough through another 2 of these dire books so would be grateful if someone could let me know

Oh, in the OP

Ffs that is sooooooo predictable - it wash;t ever going to be anything else really, was it?