To think that the fact that 50 SOG is so popular is a bad reflection on women or at least the woman who like it?

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I've read all 3 of the books and they are awful or so many reasons which I think most of us here agree. I bought the books thinking it was going to be about a sub dom relationship and wanted to read some porn.

But what really bothers me is that so many women are swooning over Mr Grey. He is their 'fantasy man'. The amount of times I've sene facebook posts about 'going to curl up in bed with Mr Grey'.

To me he's an abusive partner with mental health problems. I realised this when he told Ana he likes to spank women (or in his words beat the shit out of them) because they remind him of his neglectful birth mother. Yet she still continues to allow him to 'punish' her. The abuse continues throughout all three of the books and ends with her somehow managing to 'change' him ans they all live happily ever after.

Is this really every womans fantasy, take a rich, controlling abusive, abused lost soul and change him?

Well I think this say it all.

lol Bupcakes.

I just think that if you want escapist porn, there are more interesting things you could read.

missmiss comments like yours are what happens when people read those mysogynistic celebrity rags and they are way worse than Fifty Shades. And i say that as a person who has no intention of reading Fifty Shades.

But I don't read misogynistic celebrity magazines. I'm unsure of your point.

"sad saggy mummies with no sex life something to fantasise over"

This stereotype has obviously come from somewhere.

Yes, it's come from my own interpretation of the type of person who might be attracted by badly-written escapist porn in which a 'normal' woman is swept up into a world of glamour and abuse kinky sex by a handsome, wealthy stranger.

I.e. the plot of every bad romance novel ever written, with added fisting.

Can I just say there is NO fisting in it!!! Don't know why people keep saying there is.....

Take the books for what there are and stop being a literary snob.

Shall we put 50 SOG in the same camp as McDonalds , fruit shoots and Greggs - all have them but would never admit in public

Shit ..at the end of a day of work then dealing with your own kids all you want is an easy read and if my kids see me read then they think its good to read and they might pick up a bloody book !

And mysogynistic comments will make that better natch
Oh by the way there are men buying these books as well. Just so you know.

And mysogynistic comments will make that better natch
Oh by the way there are men buying these books as well. Just so you know.

I have no idea why these books are so popular.

I am working my way through the first, only because every one else was reading it, and I wanted to know what I was missing out on.

Not a lot it seems.

I wanted to scream "Run, Ana, Run" pretty early on in the book. Now I just mutter FFS. I am curious as to how it ends though, which is why I'm persevering. And lets face it, it's not a hard slog to read it, although I would like to edit it somewhat.

And she has far too many orgasms to make it realistic.

50 shades of Grey is to literature what McDonalds is to food.

I think OP made it clear 3 times now that her debate is not about the literature value of the book but about the message (that a controlling, arrogant man will give you multiple orgasms and oh what you are missing by sleeping with your kind dh and not having been involved with an abusive man)

But since not writting skills required to produce a bestseller i'm tempted to write what really is to live with a Mr Grey and how hard is to pick the pieces afterwards - 14 years later and i got a panic attack on the tube because someone looked like him and i thought it was him.

I have to agree with Lynette....

The person who wrote this tripe has no idea what it is like to be in an abusive relationship or how to write.

They should hang their heads to have written such nonsense.

What guts me about it is this - It is really badly written, i mean, it is REALLY bad - but the author is going to make MILLIONS, now fair play to her, really! But i can't help but think i could have written these books (wannabe writer but i know i can't write for toffee) and solved all my financial woes.

guilty pleaure hey lynette?? I like the odd macdonalds, like, when im really REALLY hungry and just passing by, and i actually quite fancy one just now, but i always think "why did i just eat that shit" when i have finished, i dont think i ever say - corrr that was lush that was

manicbmc i don't think the person who wrote this was trying to write about an abusive relationship, she was TRYING to write about a D/s relationship but because she clearly has no idea about the dynamics of such a relationship, just described an abusive partner with issues and a needy woman with issues of her own (judging by what everyone else has said, im only a few chapters in and im already thinking ewwww, hes a slime ball and i like dominant men) Being dominant has NOTHING whatsoever to do with abuse. The problem is that abusers use dominance as an excuse to abuse, its very sad.

I don't think fair play to her though.
She'll make millions peddling the idea to women and their daughters that it's really worth hanging in there with a cold, sadistic, controlling man might actually pay off, because he's really good at orgasms.

What we need now is the antidote book, where a girl meets someone loving and decent, and she shows him how to give better orgasms because surely that's the better path than the old classic of trying to "change a bastard"?!

The kind of woman I want to raise my daughter to be would have exited a whole chapter before she even heard the word "contract"!

Dotty what do you mean theres no fisting??????? disappointed now

I read a book, called "Gordon" has anyone else read it? - pretty simlar story line, but this is a brilliantly written book, sad and erotic. Puts 50 shades in the shade, i just can't remember the author and its bugging me.

Fair point Rizzo! actually, bloody good point!

From the sounds of it, the sex scenes I read in my mum's Judith Krantz books in my early teens were more, er, unusual.

''Gordon'' - is it this one ?

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RIZZO and Laquita I'm so glad you've reiterated the point that I was trying to make.

It's the abuse dressed up as BDSM and romance that bothers me and the act that the author and a lot of the general public obviously don't see it as abuse.

And worst of all the message that if you simply love a man enough, do everything he wants, throw in an unplanned pregnancy and he will change and all of his issues will be solved. It's like banging your head against a brick wall to feminism.

Yes, thats the one sleepydog fantastic book, very sad in the end, made me blub

as soon as I read( on here actually) it was a twilight fan fiction put me right off , the Edward andje Bella relationship without sex is unhealthy god i shudder what it would be like with sex I do look a bit when i see another person reading it I dont see the attraction TBH