that the feminism boards have gone a bit bonkers of late

[FunnysInLaJardin]

I am a feminist through and through, but do you really have to analyse every last thing through a feminist lens? The world will be changed bit by bit. You give feminists a bad name by analysing everything to death.

yes Narked you are

And if you don't like the way FWR is OP, don't go there. Why slag it off? Either join in and make your views known or just ignore it? Why tell the rest of MN how crap those horrible feminists are?

Ahem...

Seriously Helen? Sarcasm is banned now?

"Also you can visit our lovely paddling pool, specially for the nervous/gentle of nature/new.'"

The paddling pool?

How patronising is that? Get over yourselves, FGS.

StarBall, I read that as "I confess I now don DHs wedding overalls".

I was like "He got married in overalls?" .

:o

I got deleted for

Aren't we blessed to have you come along to tell us what we're doing wrong.

How do you define a radical feminist, Jardin? Do you mean those who subscribe to a certain strand of feminism, or those who go too far in your eyes? I didn't really know what a rad-fem was until recently, now the term is everywhere but seems to mean different things to different people.

the name Paddling Pool came about quite organically Aboutlastnight in response to people who were hesitant to 'dive right in'

It's up to yourself which type of discourse you prefer - theoretical debate, musing & chat, clarifying concepts. If you don't want any of that that's ok too, obviously, it's only a message forum.

It's not really ok though to slag people off for having interests that differ to own.

Aboutlastnight Shrug. It's a name. Is it patronising? I never thought about it like that, like Pardy says, it came up quite naturally and was a response to not feeling ready to jump in, and also because of the calming paddly waters.

Even seasoned feminists can't always be arsed getting into the Olympic pool.

Sorry you feel patronised though, you ickle cutie-pants.

I think the feminism section is more interested in in- fighting and intellectual masturbation than real stuff. Frankly there are plenty of feminist sensibilities to be found on the rest of the board - take relationships for example.

It seems that people have established themselves in feminism as 'their' section and anyone else who trips in to say that ...pole dancing is empowering for women, is set upon and accused of all sorts. it's all a bit precious IMHO

Then a this MRA stuff which is like some cyber war which bears no relationship to real life.

The plus point is that the section, when it works well makes me think things through in a way I may not have done before.

I don't understand why the feminist section cannot cope with other points of view... Why the section needs to be split up so certain people are not offended by posts which are not completely in tune with their outlook on life.

I think the feminist section currently CAN cope with other points of view.

There is pretty much peace, quiet and debate on there at the moment.

I think the feminism section can cope with just about anything by now. I don't know why it's under sustained attack.

oh dear as if my comment has been deleted.

Because some people have never liked the fact that MN has a Feminism and WR section, and having seen the Radfems pushed out of the main board, they will now target the rest of the board ie liberal feminism.

me neither Hester.

TBH Yellow I thought it always could. You can't expect people not to argue - in a debate - when both parties think their own viewpoint is the correct one.

Why should I concede to you, when your argument hasn't convinced me? Why don't you concede to me?

And you think the same about your half of the argument.
On and on it goes.

Hiding this thread as I'm so sick of this.

You see Raspberry, it's utter nonsense like that which is so off putting. There is no grand conspiracy.

You know what Narked I didn't think so at first. But maybe.

There's a lot of unseemly dancing on graves at the moment to, which is horrible.

'utter nonsense' - that's not very polite AboutLastNight.
People should disagree without that sort of thing. It only inflames.

Yellow my last post was a general you, even though I addressed it to you directly, sorry if it's not clear. Don't go on my account Non pa just to be clear I don't wish to offend anyone!

'Utter nonsense'? To say that some people never wanted a feminist section - I can find the threads if you want. To say that there are those who accuse feminists of 'analysing everything to death' ^, being anti-men, being 'joy-sucking (on this thread but was deleted.) Hardly grassy knoll stuff is it.

There are people who throw the 'over-thinking/analysing' comment into just about any feminist discussion - from changing your name at marriage and Mrs/Ms/Miss to the portrayal of women on/tv in film to attitudes towards female grooming/cosmetic surgery. Not 'I disagree' but 'You are wrong to even be thinking about this.'

How do you know, AboutLastNight? There may well not be one, and if there is there's nothing grand about it, but you're unlikely to be better informed than everyone else no matter how forcefully you state your opinion.

Pardy, I agree, the glee in some quarters is really off.

Yes but this is the bread and butter of an Internet forum! Many, many people will not agree with you, especially on mumsnet where all creeds congregate.