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to think that women are stupid?

534 replies

lovebunny · 06/07/2012 05:57

elsewhere, there is a complaint about being unsupported when breastfeeding. this is a feminist issue - and the fault lies fairly and squarely at the feet of women.

i am astounded that after the battles fought in the seventies and eighties, women have allowed such regression.

look how stupid women are today. they have their bodies surgically adapted to men's fantasies - breasts enlarged, labia trimmed - they bleach their hair, tattoo their eyeliner and lipstick and have themselves spray-painted. they remove their pubic hair so they look like children for their (multiple) partners. if you read about it in a book on social anthropology you'd be horrified at the 'oppression' of women. but women think they are choosing this!

then they say 'oh, its not fair, no-one supports me when i'm breastfeeding'. too damn right they don't. because you and your compatriots have allowed everyone to see you as barbie dolls to use and abuse. they don't want to see you being women, being grown up, feeding your babies, that spoils the fantasy. you created this; live with it.

when you've finished screaming at me about your 'rights' to have your mons pubis decorated with fake jewels and to have your isabella piercing, organise yourselves.

wash your faces, let the fake tan fade, cut off your dyed hair and let it grow back naturally, so your babies can recognise the human being their genetic memory was expecting to find here. stay free from chemicals that mask your natural odours, so your babies can recognise you by smell. if people are pressurising you to 'go back to work' say, 'certainly. when this baby chooses to stop breastfeeding'. that gives you four to five years at home, maybe longer, when you are doing something no-one else can - being your babies' mothers.

the 'male' has been accepted as the 'norm' in society - so some early feminists wanted to be like men - some of that lingers. but feminists who believe in the strength and value of the female, have retreated into hiding. wake up! speak up! these are your daughters, sisters, aunts, even your mothers tarting themselves up and whoring themselves out to all and sundry trying to be 'wives and girlfriends'! they're too stupid to realise they've been conned!

educate your daughters. make them aware of political and societal manipulation. make women free - free from pressure to look a certain way, behave a certain way. free, in fact, to be women. free to want to eat without guilt, work, reproduce, raise children, form partnerships, find contentment and find peace of mind.

don't leave this to someone else. if strong women don't act to make the world a better place for women, no-one will. and in twenty years' time, i'll be reading 'oh, society doesn't support breast-feeding mothers'. again.

OP posts:
ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 06/07/2012 10:27

educate your daughters. make them aware of political and societal manipulation. make women free - free from pressure to look a certain way, behave a certain way. free, in fact, to be women. free to want to eat without guilt, work, reproduce, raise children, form partnerships, find contentment and find peace of mind.

Apart from of course you trying to pressurize women to look a certain way or act a certain way or raise children a certain way...Hmm

Funnily enough I didn't take 4-5 years off because I am the main breadwinner and DH is a SAHD - ohh I feel so oppressed!

Please tell me where you teach so I can make sure my children don't go there.

GrahamTribe · 06/07/2012 10:28

What a load of anti-women bollocks!

If it's all the same to you I'll wear what I like, act as I please and no, I never wanted to be tied to the home for years when my babies were small (or to smell of BO) thanks very much. And hey, well done for telling us how keeping the little woman at home is a great one though you might have suggested a yashmak then we could still wear the make-up while staying at home and not going "whoring".

I pray to god that you don't teach, I really do.

scottishmummy · 06/07/2012 10:28

Mingeshire Terrier in cotton prison.
i need to now remain composed to meet colleague
whilst i snigger at this

spottydottyteapot · 06/07/2012 10:31

aside from the generalisations I think the OP makes so very valid points.

scottishmummy · 06/07/2012 10:33

no valid points
whatsoever
just a belligerent rant

hairylemon · 06/07/2012 10:45

"Yeah but unless the OP's wearing ankle socks, what else is she going to tuck her pubes into?"

Arrrrgh, coffee hurts when it comes out of your nose!! Grin

Tokamak · 06/07/2012 10:47

Do you in fact listen mainly to the views of other women on this, and plan outfits based not upon pleasing men but upon feeling good yourself and getting admiring looks and compliments from other women?

Interesting point, Morris. I'm a bloke so really just an observer, but in the office it's noticeable that when a female colleague comes in dressed in something new/different, it's the women who comment on it. In addition when a woman does something outside whatever the current cultural norm is, it's generally other women who comment: for example a few years ago Juila Roberts was photographed showing hairy armpits and it was female media commentators who were shocked and ripped into her about it.

Sounds like I'm doing a 'blame the wimminz' doesn't it? I'm not intending to and the OP, however ranty, does have some points.

I think though, that from talking to male friends that we are, on the whole, not bothered if our partners have hairy legs/armpits, because we love you. You know it sometimes when you've been gardening or decorating or whatever and you're all dishevelled and sweaty and your hair is messy and we say "you're bloody gorgeous"? We mean it.

Nancy66 · 06/07/2012 10:54

God, what a load of ill thought out cliched bollocks

Dahlen · 06/07/2012 10:55

Tokamak, that's a lovely post and very true on an individual level I think. Smile But it's worth remembering that one of the easiest ways to keep people in their place is to make them responsible for enforcing the rules that keep them there. You can see this throughout history with all forms of slavery and class/caste systems. Quite often it was the censure from other folk in the same situation that prevented people from breaking out and bettering their lot, being told that they should and 'know their place' or 'be grateful for what you have'. It works because it bestows the powerless a little power over peers and gives them hope for recognition or success without actually providing them with any real power at all.

GrahamTribe · 06/07/2012 10:55

"You know it sometimes when you've been gardening or decorating or whatever and you're all dishevelled and sweaty and your hair is messy and we say "you're bloody gorgeous"? We mean it."

Tokamak, somewhere out there in Tokamakland there's a very lucky woman. :)

Blistory · 06/07/2012 11:08

Why is everyone angry at the OP ? Did she insult everyone ? Is that anyworse than how women are treated by socity ? Why aren't you all as angry about that ?

It wasn't a particularly nice post and was a bit insulting but no more so than women being subjected to everyday. Why doesnt' that make you angry ?

And it's fuck all to do with being radical or otherwise. Feminism has achieved much in terms of legal equality but because we're all sat back, praising the fact that we have choice and we won the fight, we overlook the fact that we DON'T have social or cultural equality - not by a very very long way.

SandraSue · 06/07/2012 11:14

Pinkyredrose; "Why don't you keep your judgemental opinions to yourself and let the rest of us live our lives the way we want!?"

The same could be said about breastfeeders?

YANBU, just a bit ott Grin

MrGin · 06/07/2012 11:15

shaved heads and dungarees it is then.

Tokamak · 06/07/2012 11:16

Thank you Graham Smile. I'm lucky too!

Dahlen, I absolutely agree with your post.

catgirl1976 · 06/07/2012 11:16

Mr Gin...have I got this right?

I can shave my head, but not my fanjo? Grin

cheekybarsteward · 06/07/2012 11:22

Where do you stand on anal bleaching?

manicbmc · 06/07/2012 11:22

Well I am lucky. My dp doesn't care how dishevelled I am either. Grin

I dress for comfort, so I'd say that is pretty much pleasing myself.

I see plenty of men who do the fake tan/over muscled look. I see plenty of women who are orange and fake as fake can be. They look ridiculous mainly but it is up to them how they look.

I always thought feminism was about having choices. We have choices. Some of us choose to look like Miriam Margolyes and some of us choose to look like Katie Price.

Be happy and be who you are.

FanjoPingpong · 06/07/2012 11:24

I don't wear make-up; I don't shave; I don't apply fake-tan. But to suggest that someone who does so is somehow less of a woman or less of a mother is insulting, wrong, and anti-feminist. If people want to fake-tan themselves orange and stick sparklers in their hair, that's their choice.

They may look ridiculous, but

bejeezus · 06/07/2012 11:24

What blistory said

FanjoPingpong · 06/07/2012 11:25

...that's their choice.

Flobbadobs · 06/07/2012 11:26

You can stand for anal bleaching?
I would have thought the normal position would be curled up in the fetal position wimpering...

manicbmc · 06/07/2012 11:27

But Bejeezus, the OP is suggesting that women should not have fake tan/hair ect. But why not? Surely it is up to them.

It completely misses the point.

Flatbread · 06/07/2012 11:28

Where do you stand on anal bleaching?

Grin Grin Grin

Northernexile · 06/07/2012 11:30

the women who look nice are the ones with natural bodies, natural hair, natural skintone and natural faces. they look nice, wholesome and healthy

It was this comment in particular from P1 that made me laugh! Wholesome?! Who are you, Mary Whitehouse?

Blistory · 06/07/2012 11:30

Ok, on the issue of choice. It's pissing it down, you know your child won't wear a raincoat so you present them with ' do you want to wear the red coat or the blue coat?' Child chooses red and happily wears coat as it was apparently their choice.

Can you really not see that there wasn't a choice to be made in the first place ?