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to say something about SIL's baby plans

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nomorethan2thankyou · 04/07/2012 12:18

ok bit of background. SIL (DHs sister) has 2DCs and we have two DCs. she is a single mum, absolutely lovely and loves her children more than anything. however, she does have a range of health issues which mean that me and DH help her with looking after her DCs a lot (at least one day every weekend and over school hoidays with her eldest). we are happy to do this because she really needs the help and her two DCs are lovely and get on with ours really well, but we do find it exhausting with them altogether. she does struggle with them at home, especially when her youngest DS was a little baby and did need help from the family a lot.
well at the weekend, she told us that she had decided she was going to have another baby by having one night stands until she got pregnant basically. i think she expected us to be pleased for her. we just kind of froze and didn't know what to say. she thinks she can manage it (i think she has forgotten how hard she found it when her youngest DS was newborn) because she knows she has help from family (DHs parents help her out all week with her DCs).
not only are we worried about the risks she is taking with her health and her managing on her own with 3DCs, but we are also worried about PIL managing (in their 60s with their own health issues). she is also heavilly in debt and gets by on her overdraft, so we do worry about her coping financially as well.
DH thinks she is being selfish and feels angry with her. i feel sorry for her because i know she isn't happy and desperately wants something to make her happy (i think she may be a bit depressed, which is making it harder for her to manage her current health issues, although i don't think it would be a good idea for me to say anything). PIL just desperately want her to be happy and will always help her out when she needs them no matter what, although i'm certain they don't believe it is a good idea.
the fact is although DH and I are happy to help her out with her two DCs, realistically we all know as time goes on and it becomes more difficult for her and PIL she is going to be relying on us more and more to help. we love them and are happy to take on more of an active role with them. but the fact is we couldn't manage to help in this way if she had another one, 4DCs together is hard enough for us (we only had 2DCs oursleves for a reason!). we know it is her decision, but surely if you know you are going to rely on help from others then you need to consider them as well?
i know she will carry out her plan and will get pregnant. don't know what to do. do we say anything? do we tell her that we can't manage to look after all 5 and if she does have another one she'll have to sort something else out (thats what DH thinks we should do but i know if we withdrew that support it would only make more work for PIL), do we need to get a bit tough and do as another family member has said and tell her to stop being selfish? really don't know what to do but we cannot manage with helping her with anymore children. that might make us the selfish ones but we can't change that.
sorry about the length of this post.

OP posts:
diddl · 04/07/2012 20:47

Helping her to bring up her children is surely more support than most families give?

If her parents want to support her then that´s up to them-as it is up to you to concentrate on your own family.

Hope you have a lovely weekend.

Icelollycraving · 04/07/2012 20:56

Good god,enjoy your weekend. You have both earned it!
Leave her to it. Good on your dh.

Figgygal · 04/07/2012 21:04

Sorry she can't do whatever she wants with her body if that means another child she can't look after!!

Depressed or not she sounds like a selfish irresponsible cow ........wow I'm fuming for you and your family

lastnerve · 04/07/2012 21:25

well done to your DH , sounds like it was long overdue.

just a thought hopefully her kids don't take it as a personal rejection.

I can imagine her saying 'they don't want to look after you anymore'

to make your DH look bad, I really feel for the kids.

Viviennemary · 04/07/2012 21:30

You sound a kind and caring person OP. But really all this support is really enabling if not encouraging her to bring another child into the world that she will need a temendous amount of help in taking care of. I think I would be withdrawing care. Unless you can think of another way to bring her to her senses. If she really cannot manage, I would consider getting social services involved. Good for your DH making a start in tackling this.

diddl · 04/07/2012 21:43

"I can imagine her saying 'they don't want to look after you anymore' "-hopefully they would still be able to see the children.

The oldest is 10(?) & should understand that OP & her husband shouldn´t have to regularly look after them.

That´s how people get guilt tripped into doing these things though, isn´t it?

Ephiny · 04/07/2012 21:46

I think he did the right thing. Hopefully once she's finished having a tantrum, she'll see there's some sense in what he said.

Yes she can do what she wants with her own body, but what she can't do is expect unlimited help and support from others just because they happen to be related to her. She can't have it both ways - the right to do what she wants comes from the fact that she's an adult, but that also means she has to take some responsibility for herself and the children she chooses to have, and no one is obliged to support her unconditionally. Family or not.

lastnerve · 04/07/2012 21:47

Oh is the kid 10? I must have missed that.

god I was a carer by that age I looked after both myself and my disabled sibling.
he's probably glad tbh.

diddl · 04/07/2012 21:52

Just looked back & can´t see the age of the oldest, so don´t know where I got 10 fromConfused

maddening · 04/07/2012 21:57

what help does she currently need and what help did she need for a newborn?

ReportMeNow · 04/07/2012 22:04

By God, her selfishness is astonishing!

Well done your dh, anyway, on speaking some common sense.

nomorethan2thankyou · 04/07/2012 22:11

her eldest is 7. she has told him she is going to have another baby Confused

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ajandjjmum · 04/07/2012 22:16

It's really quite pathetic - and dreadful that her parents keep enabling this type of behaviour.

Glad it's blown up in the sense that at lease you'll have more time with your own little family nomore. Smile

nomorethan2thankyou · 04/07/2012 22:17

for help with a new born she had a lot of difficulty doing things like changing nappies, clothing, bathing.
now she is always exhausted and needs to sleep and can have problems moving around or standing up for long periods of time.
maybe it might end up being more of a reality check for PIL having to help her out more, which in turn may (hopefully) lead to them giving her a bit of a reality check as well.

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nomorethan2thankyou · 04/07/2012 22:31

lastnerve i know a lot of the time is genuine, you can tell straight away. however, sometimes (especially if the latest bloke hasn't called back) it does seem that her frame of mind is makes it more difficult for her to manage milder symptoms.

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nomorethan2thankyou · 04/07/2012 22:33

lastnerve the men don't exactly have to work very hard though do they :(

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lastnerve · 04/07/2012 22:36

hmm I suppose ,

Dropdeadfred · 04/07/2012 22:39

Her body = yes true
Her kids = yes true
Her responsibility = yes true

AitchNotHaitch · 04/07/2012 22:52

LastNerve: I realise you are trying to be supportive to the OP (who, IMO, is most definitely not being unreasonable) but, on behalf of the 'invalids' Hmm out here, I'd like to point out that we can actually still be sexy.
I find your assumption that people with disabilities are unattractive quite upsetting.

NoMore: Such a difficult situation for you because you obviously care deeply about your SIL's children. Think you are doing the right thing though. Good luck. :)

WhereYouLeftIt · 05/07/2012 00:53

"its apparently her body and she can do what she likes with it and we all just have to support her because that's what families do."
You have the right to do what you want with your own body UNLESS it infringes on the rights of others.
. Her children have the right to sleep in their beds without randoms coming in to the house.
. Her children have the right to a mother who parents them herself, rather than getting everyone else to do it.
. The baby she wants has the right to be wanted for itself, not as a toy/comforter for an adult.
. Her brother has the right to a private family life with his wife and two (not four) children.
. Her PIL have the right to an independent life, not dancing attendance to a world-revolves-around-me daughter.

She is in no position to talk about rights here. Not until she acknowledges everybody else's rights.

differentnameforthis · 05/07/2012 05:13

Where is the father of her dc? Why isn't he helping with the kids while mum is unable to?

differentnameforthis · 05/07/2012 05:46

I have just seen that her last was, for all intents & purposes, a one night stand, so that answers that, except for the father of #1`.

Has she not thought about the stress that another pregnancy would put on her already (by the sounds of it) tired body? I am not a dr, so may be talking out of my arse here, but could it not make it worse/harder on her?

I feel for the older boy. I remember before my mum met my stepdad, (so I would have been 5 - 8) she had a succession of "lovers" lasting only a few dates & they would all be bought home at all hours (we were left with babysitters while she went "clubbing" - which in itself isn't an issue, but looking back it seemed she just went to pick someone up for sex. She also met someone at a park when out with us one day & he came home with us & they disappeared).

It terrified me that she bought strangers into our home & I didn't feel comfortable there for a while. I have grown up with a fear of someone being in my house while I sleep, and I really do think it was because I aware that there was (almost) always strangers in my house. It isn't a great way to live, and I really feel for her dcs.

MsPaperbackWriter · 05/07/2012 06:15

Our SIL is a total idiot. She is a neglectful mother and I think you should call the SS as she is doing an awful job with her poor children. Stop the weekend care now (although I do really feel for the kids being left with her).

I am aghast at her awful 'entitled' attitude - although it is easy for her to do with so much help!

I really do think the SS needs to be involved, she need a bloody reality check and her poor kids deserve better.

Lougle · 05/07/2012 06:42

Lastnerve, I've reported your post. We don't use the word 'invalid' any more, because people with disabilities are just as valid as those without.

A disability doesn't strip a person of their sexuality.